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All right, the net would like to acknowledge Dan in 6T and I. Good morning, Dan. Good to have you with us.

See you there on the Half Moon Bay SDR. All right, and also there is Peter, KJ7BA. Good morning, Peter.

How are you doing? Good. And Peter says good morning to everyone there on the Utah STR.

Peter, good to have you with us. All right, we've got some other folks here. Let's see.

Oh, there's Will, KM5F. Will, are you on your radio? Okay, not hearing from Will, but he is listening today.

Good to have you with us, Will. Appreciate you being there and glad to have have you with us around the round table here. All right.

Let's see. K7 NEB. Yep, we've got Keith checked in there.

And there's Brian, KJ7 PWM. Good morning, Brian, KJ7 PWM. Good to have you with us.

How are you doing? All right. Brian's monitoring today, but we got him checked in.

All right. The WB7MAX here looking for check-ins. Please come down.

All right. This is WB7MAX, that control for the West Coast Bible Study. We are in the book of Job chapter 20 and 21.

So if you want to be looking at those together with us, that's Job chapter 20 and 21. All right. Any other check-ins this morning, please come down.

All right, today we'd like to acknowledge Philip, K6HSV. Good morning, Phil. See you there on Half Moon Bay.

SPR, appreciate you being there. All right, that's Phil. Any other check-ins, please come now.

Thank you. *Humming* Good morning, WV7VZL. Hey, good morning, Roger, WV7VZL.

Good to have you with us. How are you doing? Good.

Yeah, you're pushing 30 over on peak. Nice band conditions. Very nice.

That's real good. I'm real pleased to hear that. And you are doing well, too.

It's about 20 over here, 5 by 20 over, so it's a great signal. You want to do some reading for us today, Roger? Over.

Sure. There's a lot of difference between reading and understanding, however. I went over these two chapters that we have today, and I was saying to myself...

Boy, I don't have any, uh, very many handles. There's no, no wonderful resource like we had yesterday. It was 1925.

It's, it's, it's out in the desert over. Yeah, copy that for sure. We have great technology today which works so much better than the old smart gap radios.

And lots to be thankful for, for sure. All right, Roger, we got you checked in. Any prayer requests, Roger?

Over. Well, you know, just very -- there's always prayer requests, but nothing that I think would warrant an announcement here. Certainly I have a number of prayer communities that that have their list, etc.

But yeah, the handles on these two chapters are not very famous, so to speak. Over. Yeah, right.

There's a couple of good passages there, but... In any event, we'll plow our way through it. God put it there for us to read, so we need to read it and deal with what's there.

I'm sure there will be some good discussion today. All right. Good, Roger.

Thank you. We'll have you read Job chapter 21. All right.

Any other check-ins today, please come to us. ... Okay, just fooling around with my stuff here for a second.

All right, I think we are caught up. I think we are ready to go. Just looking over my SDRs here.

I think we have everyone checked in. Alright, Carol, KK7TPO, are you out there? If you're out there give me a roger roger, Carol.

Alright, not hearing from Carol. Okay, let's get started with our Bible study today. We're in the book of Job chapter 20, verse 1.

to 21. We're going to read those two chapters together. And what we have here is the statement of Zophar, the Naamanite, and of course Job's reply in chapter 21 to him.

And then we're going to hear from Eliphaz, and that will bring us through the second cycle of the book of communication between Job and his three friends. All right, but before we get started with those two chapters, we want to open in prayer. Mike, W7TWO, could you open in prayer for us today, please?

Thank you, Pastor Max. I'm going to get situated here. Father, we come to you this morning with a thirst for your word and a thirst for the wisdom that is buried within your words.

We thank you for who you are and what you've done. We all have tough times in our lives and we realize that it is for our own good and there supply us everything that we need and above that things that uh anyway uh thank you for giving us this time on the air to come together around this round table and and discuss and uh open up the scriptures. We pray that you open our minds and our hearts to the wisdom they wrote in the scriptures this morning and help us understand the story of Job and how they this all works out in the end.

Thank you for being here, Lord, and thank you for this news. We pray this in the name of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior. Amen.

Amen. Mike, thank you so much for that prayer. All right, this is WB7MAX.

We are in this section of Job chapter 20 and chapter 21. So Beck, Alpha Alpha 5 Yankee is going to read for us Job chapter 20, the whole chapter, and then Roger, WB7VZO will read chapter 21. So Roger, when Beck is done, you just go ahead and take right off there.

All right, Beck, go ahead please with Job chapter 20. Roger, good morning everyone. In so far the Namath side answered and said.

Therefore my anxious thoughts make me answer because of the turmoil within me. I have heard the rebuke that reproaches me and the spirit of my understanding causes me to answer. Do you not know this of old, since man was placed on earth, that the triumphing of the wicked is short, and that the joy of the hypocrite is but for a moment?

Though his holiness mounts up to the heavens, and his head reaches to the clouds, yet he will perish forever like his own refuse. Those who have seen him will say, Where is he? Number eight.

He will fly away like a dream and not be found. Yes, he will be chased away like a vision of the night. The eye that saw him will see him no more, nor will its place behold him anymore.

His children will seek the favor of the poor and his hands will restore his wealth. His bones are full of his youthful vigor, but it will lie down with him in the dust. Though evil is sweet in his mouth, and he hides it under his tongue, though he spares it and does not forsake it, but still keeps it in his mouth.

Yet his food and his stomach turn sour; it becomes cobra venom within him. He swallows down riches and vomits them up again; God casts them out of his belly. He will suck the poison of the cobras; the vipers the tongue will slay him.

He will not see streams, the river flowing with honey and cream. He will restore that for which he labored, and he will not swallow it down. From the proceeds of business he will get no enjoyment, for he has oppressed and forsaken the poor.

He has violently seized a house which he did not build. Because he knows no quietness in his heart, he will not save anything he desires. Nothing is left for him to eat.

Therefore, his well-being will not last. In his self-sufficiency, he will be in the distress. Every hand of misery will come against him.

When he is about to fill his stomach, God will cast him the fury of his wrath and will rain it on him while he is eating. He will flee from the iron weapon, and bronze will pierce him through. It is drawn and comes out of the body.

Yes, the glittering point comes out of his gall. Terrors come upon him. Total darkness is reserved for the treasures.

and unfanned fire will consume him. It shall go ill, and with him who is left is his tent. The heavens will reveal his inequity, and the earth will rise up against him.

The increase of his house will depart, and his goods will flow away in the day of his wrath. This is the portion from God for a wicked man, The heritage appointed to him by God. I'll talk to 5V8K.

Over to you, Roger. This is WB7VZL reading from the New American Standard Bible of Job chapter 21. Then Job answered, "Listen carefully to my speech, and let this be your way of consolation.

Fear with me, that I may speak; then after I have spoken, you may mock. As for me, is my complaint to man? And why should I not be impatient?

look at me and be astonished and put your hand over your mouth even when I remember I am disturbed and horror takes hold of my flesh why do the wicked still live continue on also become very powerful their descendants are established with them in their sight and their offspring before their eyes. Their houses are safe from fear. Neither is the rod of God on them.

His ox mates without fail. His cow calves and does not abort. They send forth their little ones like the flock, and their children skip about.

They sing to the timbrel and harp and rejoice in the sound of the flute. They spend their days in prosperity. and suddenly they go down to shul and they say to God depart from us we do not even desire the knowledge of thy ways who is the almighty that we should serve him and what would we gain if we entreat him "Behold, their posterity is not in their hand; the counsel of the wicked is far from me." Verse 17: "How often is the lamp of the wicked put out, or does their calamity fall on them?

Does God apportion destruction in his anger? Are they as straw before the wind, and like chaff which the storm carries away? You say God stores away a man's iniquity for his son.

Let God repay him so that he may know it. Let his own eyes see his decay, and let him drink of the wrath of the Almighty. For what does he care for his household after him, when the number of his months is cut off?

Can anyone teach God knowledge, in that he judges those on high? One dies in his full strength, being wholly at ease and satisfied. His sides are filled out with fat, and the marrow of his bones is moist.

While another dies with a bitter soul, never even tasting anything good. together they lie down in the dust and worms cover them verse 27 behold i know your thoughts and the plans by which you would wrong me for you say where is the house of a nobleman for you say Who will confront him with his actions? And who will repay him for what he has done?

While he is carried to the grave, men will keep watch over his tomb. The clods of the valley will gently cover him. Moreover, all men will follow after him.

While countless ones go before him. How then will you vainly comfort me, for your answers remain full of falsehood? And that completes Chapter 21, WB7MAX, WB7VZL.

are really focusing in on the wicked. And the first reading, Zophar is pointing his finger at Job as the evidence. But...

That evidence wouldn't pass a jury, so to speak. Yeah, as you say, there's no evidence, but they're still pointing the finger. It reminds me of Paul's counsel in 1 Corinthians 4 and 5.

Thank you for bringing out that passage. That's what Paul's saying there in 1 Corinthians 4-5, is that, you know, we don't see how all of this is going to work out yet. And so, you know, some folks...

You know, look like really solid Christians, but they've got secret hypocrisies and sins we know nothing about. And then there's other people who are genuine believers. They struggle a lot, and we tend to want to condemn them.

But God sees the heart, and we just look on the outward appearance. So we have to be slow. with reference to this specific thing and that specific thing that's indisputable, that's going on, and they need to stop that or they need to start doing something they're not doing.

So there's a real balancing act there as to how much we should say and conclude. about ourselves or others, and how much we should say, okay, we're just going to leave that one in the hands of God, and he'll deal with it as is appropriate. So it takes a lot of wisdom to understand all of that.

Roger, thanks for bringing out that passage and that principle. that judgment is really settled properly in the long term. All right, other comments, please come down.

AK6OK. AK6OK. Jeff, before I let you talk, I want to acknowledge Carol, KK7TPO.

Carol, good to have you with us. Thank you for being there in the Utah SDR. Appreciate you.

All right, Jeff, AK6OK, go ahead with your comment. Yeah, good morning to you, Carol. You know, I've always wondered, this sounds like a conversation back and forth, but it's obviously these guys have responded in writing almost like these were emails going back and forth.

It's like a couple of school kids. calling each other bad kids. So I'm trying to get my head wrapped around all of that.

Over. Yeah, copy that. You know, we don't know who wrote this down or how it was written down, whether these were written, but the narrative seems to speak pretty clearly to the fact that they were face-to-face And this was speech that was going back and forth.

Somebody recorded it. I don't know who, don't know how, but under divine inspiration, we do have an accurate record of what was said. And we don't even know who the author of this book is.

It may have been Job. It may have been somebody else. But the bottom line is, is that we know that what was recorded is what was said, and what was said was said face-to-face.

And the problem, okay, is that when people get stuck in a position, their pride keeps them from being willing to consider that, you know, there's other sides of this story. And maybe I need to embrace some principles that I haven't thought about yet in relationship to this circumstance. And that's the problem here.

You know, it's kind of like, Jeff, when you get your truck stuck, you just keep hitting the gas and spinning the tires. And all you're doing is kind of digging yourself deeper into the rut. And it's like we need to stop, you know, digging ourselves deeper here.

We need to have a different plan. So maybe get a tow truck to pull us or do something else besides, you know, just continuing to do the same thing over and over again. I've heard it said that one definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

And that's the case here. So what you've got in Chapter 20 is, so far, the whole chapter is, here's what the wicked person experiences, here's what the hypocrite experiences. And, you know, it's true that sometimes they do experience all these things that he describes in this life.

But then Job counters and he says, look around you. And, you know, Kevin brought this out. Look around you.

And you can see that the wicked prosper. For example, in chapter 21 and verse 7, Wherefore do the wicked live, become old, yea, and are mighty in power? So in all of the chapter 21, Job says, I see a ton of wicked people and hypocritical people doing just fine in this life.

having tremendous external, physical, financial blessings, and then they die without suffering and go to the grave. And so, therefore, what you're doing is you are lying. So you look at the conclusion of verse 34 of chapter 21, how then comfort ye me in vain.

seeing in your answers there remains falsehood. And so what he's saying is that, look, your explanation of this isn't true. And the evidence is right in your faith that it isn't true.

So it's time to take a different tack and provide something other than the same old answers you've been providing over and over again. Back to you there, Joe. Yeah, interesting.

And you know, the further we... Oh. Oh.

Oh, my goodness. My gosh, I hit the wrong button. Um, the further we get from one and two, where the meat and potatoes was of what happened to Joe, The further it looks like they're getting away from what originally happened here.

And I understand they're each trying to explain each other's position. But it seems to me that from Chapter 3, or, yeah, Chapter 3 clear out to 21 here, They're kind of getting off the subject a little bit. I don't know if you share that view or not.

Just an observation. I do love it in the end about 32, someplace in there. Of evil men and women who got off Scott Cray, who never had to pay for their wickedness, did any of them ever confront them with their crimes?

Did they ever have to face the music? Not likely they're given fancy funerals with all the trimmings gently lowered into expensive graves, with everyone telling lies about how wonderful they were. So how do you expect me to get any comfort from your nonsense?

Your so-called comfort is a tissue of lies. Yeah, well said, and well expressed, and that is exactly what is being said. That captures the argument of Job very well.

Go ahead, John. Okay, I'm just trying to get my head wrapped around this stuff. It's crazy.

But there's a message in there. Yeah, copy that. And you know, you mentioned they're getting away from chapter 1 and 2.

The problem with Job and his friends is they didn't know about chapter 1 and chapter 2. as far as what was going on between God and Satan, which was the ultimate explanation for all of this. And so we, of course, because we have this book, know that there's more to this story than just sowing and reaping in the short term.

We know that sowing and reaping will certainly take place in the long term. And see, this whole thing is the argument of Psalm 73. If you...

If you turn in your Bible to Psalm 73, just for a second, the psalmist, in this case it's Asaph writing this particular psalm, he captures this whole conundrum of the prosperity of the wicked really well. In Psalm 73 and verse 2, Well, we'll start on verse 1. He says, neither are they plagued like other men.

Therefore, pride surrounds them about like a chain. Violence covers them as a garment. Their eyes stand out with fatness.

They have more than the heart could wish. They're corrupt. They speak wickedly.

They're concerning oppression. They speak loftily. They set their mouths against the heavens, and their tongue walks through the earth.

Therefore his people return thither, and waters of a full cup are wrung out to them. And they say, How does God know? And is there knowledge in the Most High?

Behold, these are the ungodly who prosper in the world, they increase in riches. So in verses 1 to 12, the psalmist is saying exactly what Job is saying in chapter 21. And that is, is that look around and see the prosperity of the wicked, and that completely destroys your argument that the wicked always suffer.

And if they're suffering, it's because they're wicked, because a lot of times the wicked don't suffer at all. And then he goes on to say in Psalm 73, in verse 13, he says, Verily I have cleansed my heart in veins. and washed my hands in innocency.

For all the day long have I been plagued and chastened every morning. If I say I will speak thus, behold, I should offend against the generation of thy children. Would I thought to know this, it was too painful for me.

So here's a guy, he's living for God, and he's suffering like crazy. Here's people who are defying God, and they're fat with blessing. But notice the conclusion there in verse 17.

Until I went into the sanctuary of God, then understood I their end. So he looks past the immediate circumstances to the end, and he realizes in the end, they are going to be worse off. than the suffering godly person.

Verse 18, certainly about to set them in slippery places, you cast them down into destruction. How they are brought to desolation is in a moment. They are utterly consumed with terrors.

He's talking about the death and the day of judgment. Verse 20, as a dreamer would wake up. who are the titans of industry and commerce and entertainment and politics.

And you know, it's really easy to be envious of these folks. And we see them engaging in all sorts of wicked behavior, and yet they just seem to go from prosperity to prosperity to fame to elected office, one thing and another, right? And so people tend to look at that and they go, well, he got away with it.

He's not suffering. And we just need to, in our own lifespan, not be envious of the wicked and their prosperity and their health and their success and position and power. And here we are, we're suffering, we're struggling, we have financial difficulties, we have health difficulties, we have family difficulties, we're despised and rejected of men.

And yet, in spite of all of that injustice that's going on right now, we have to step back and take a long-term view and realize that, yes, the Day of Atonement reminds us that God punishes sin. And there has to be atonement made for that sin. And if there isn't, then we're in big trouble.

And so that's why we constantly urge people to be reconciled to God through repentance and sin and faith in Jesus. Because it's only if their sins are atoned for that they can escape the wrath of God on the day of judgment. So let's not be envious of the wicked in our society, our culture.

Let's just live for the Lord in our humble circumstances. Let's be patient and wait on God to resolve the injustices that we're experiencing. One day he will set the scales of justice back where they belong.

And when he does, he will reward the suffering saint, and he will punish the flourishing, prospering wicked. And it will seem that that injustice only lasted for a moment and for a short time. All right, other comments on the passage?

Please come down. Is that it, Ken? Is that it, Ken?

Kevin, please go ahead. Well, just briefly this time, you know, a couple of scriptures come to mind. Isaiah.

Turn it around. Not Isaiah. Yeah.

Well, Isaiah 55, you know, eight and nine, God's ways are not our ways. And sometimes there's things we don't. I completely understand.

We like to have answers and resolution in our mind, and we see that played throughout here. But also, we also have a warning throughout the Scripture, too. One place is Proverbs 18, 13, where it says, He who answers a matter before he hears it is falling in shame to him.

Yeah. Boy, does that describe Job's friends or not? And so, you know...

Before you answer, consider hearing the matter. Don't, you know, jumping to conclusions is a very, very dangerous thing. There's many good illustrations regarding that.

But it's something we do need to caution ourselves about frequently. KB7 is at Exxon. Yeah, Kevin, thank you for that.

Well said. I heard somebody say one time, "Don't judge a painting before it's finished." And don't pass judgment on God before His program of redemption is finished. And so God's in process, and the process isn't complete.

It's not trying to draw conclusions about it yet. So you're right. God's ways are not our ways.

And, you know, as the artist is putting stuff on the palette, you think, well, what's he doing that for? Well, down the road you see, oh, okay, that's why he did that. And it's the same way with God.

He is painting by his providence. a beautiful picture of the defeat of sin and the victory of Christ and his people and kingdom. But in the meantime, until that work is finished, it looks to be a bit of a mess.

And we just have to wait on the artist to finish his painting. All right, we are done. Our time is gone.

We need to go to prayer. Al, KJ7QQH is going to lead us in prayer. Before he does, are there any final prayer requests?

Please come down with your prayer requests. All right, Al, KJ7QQH, go ahead and close in prayer for us. Thank you, Pastor Max.

This is JJ7C2H. Let's all come together and pray. Heavenly Father, thank you for another great day together with you.

Thank you for the peace humbly coming for you. I'm grateful for your meeting with us. We know and appreciate how you are addressing our community needs.

We've got to join together. As you can see, we're at the point of the way to lift up our brothers and sisters here. And we start with Brother Jerry, AG-54.

He's raised for government, and he's lived up to his financial position. And also for the year he's in right now. For Foster Jeff Brown, who has a fear of ultimate loneliness, - - - We also lift up our brother Mike, The ...not the focus, but he's going to be sore for a while.

He's afraid that he's too focused and he's not getting laid. Also, for the grandkids, he's got a huge diabetic condition. Also, for Mike's wife, Sherry, who has a near-sleeping, crazy, - Some people have it so easy, while other people have it a little tougher.

And, yeah, it's just that they're not going to get the space that they need to help other people. But that's the hard part. I think it's the other way to see the guys in the distance.

JJ70QQ, Alpha Alpha 5 Yankee. Oh, are you calling Kilo Kilo 7, Oscar Quebec, Quebec? I should use phonetics.

Yeah, roger roger, this is uh... and I didn't understand it, and I still don't understand it, and I play by feel, and I play by ear. You know, sometimes my ear gets sore from playing on the strings, but that's how I do it, and you really don't need music theory if you have it in you.

Roger? Oh, yeah, I can understand that, yeah. Yeah, I'm not sure that once a person kind of learns how to drum, I'm safe and secure.

I see in my dreams. I'm going to turn it off now. yeah roger well i'm glad you're learning how to do bar chords because i was taught the country western style where bar chords didn't exist.

And my next door neighbor, the gentleman knew how to play guitar and he used bar chords and he taught me how to use, play G in bar chord style. And once I learned that, boy, I was off and running because you can use that same bar chord, just drop everything down, a set of strings and you've got a whole other set of chords that you can play with. It opened a brand new world to me.