Good morning Joe, good to see you there on the Utah SPR. Okay, any other check-ins, please come down to your call site.. And we looked at the response of Bildad the Shuhite.
And basically what he's saying is, Job, you're accusing God of perverting judgment. God doesn't do that. If someone suffers, it's because they have sinned.
And so you notice in 8, chapter 8, verse 3, does God pervert judgment? Or does the Almighty pervert justice? And the answer to those rhetorical questions is, of course, no, he doesn't.
The judge of all the earth will do right. Who alone stretches out the heavens and tramples down the waves of the sea? Who makes the bear, Orion, and the Pleiades, and the chambers of the south?
Who does great things? that we may go to court together, there is no umpire between us who may lay his hand upon us both. Let him remove his rod from me and let not dread of him terrify me.
Then I would speak. offered us the gift of salvation by grace because of his redemptive sacrifice on the cross where he took the wrath of God upon himself that we might not eternally face that. And but Job here is recognizing, no, he rejects that what...
And as you said, he's infinitely just. He's infinitely wise. He's infinitely powerful.
He's infinitely greater than we are in every respect. We're not only finite, but we're also sinful and fallen. And then, of course, he can fully understand, relate to, and communicate with us because he's an equal to us.
He's also a man. And so what a perfect mediator. What a wonderful answer to the desire that Job had.
Someone to stand between me and God and make sense out of all of this. Bring reconciliation. Now, the question is, is did they not know about him?
Or did they look past him and see that he's really not in control? You know, we do talk about Satan, and rightly so. The Bible reveals a great deal about him.
And it tells us that one of the great controversies here in the Bible is between God and Satan. We see that taking place in Genesis 3. of the lack of adequate revelation at this point in redemptive history.
Well, thanks for that comment. All right, any other comments anybody wants to make, please come down to the call sign. WB7VZL.
Roger, please go ahead. Yeah, certainly the dimension of the dark side, I think, is... is quite an exception and of course Job 1 and 2 and as you say of course the fall in Genesis is very important revelation but it has not been developed nearly to the point as we see in the newer post Christ and of course that's when the devil became explicit hugely explicit when but recognition of who is in control belongs to God.
And so there's this tension. Who's responsible for Job's trouble? Is Satan responsible?
Answer, absolutely yes. He was the instrument and the agent that brought about all this pain. But who is responsible for Job's problem?
Well, God. tension between understanding God is in control of all that Satan does, but he's not responsible, morally responsible, for what Satan does. He's the first cause of all things, but the cause that actually commissions the sin is the one who is responsible for it.
So, um, That he was not only the creator of the cosmos, but he was the sustainer of the cosmos. That he was the holy one of the cosmos. And he was the, you know, the knowledge and the wisdom of the cosmos and of all creation.
and our sin and all failure. And that's, to me, what points to the cross because the cross is an indictment really on humanity that we failed. We failed to keep the holy law of God.
We cannot bridge that chasm on our own between a great and holy God. to oppose God, to blaspheme God, to, as it were, straighten God out because they don't like what he said or what he did. What incredible fallen.
You know, it's like you have a giant rock cliff. And so what we need to do is adapt ourselves to God and who he is and who he presents himself to be and not demand that somehow God adapt himself to us. He is the one who is perfect.
We're imperfect. He's the one who's holy. We're unholy.
He's the one who's just. We're unjust. He's the one that's wise.
we are foolish. And so instead of raging against God, we need to humble ourselves before him, ask him who he is, what he was, what we should be and do in his presence. And it reminds me of that passage in Isaiah, statements in this chapter and I think we would do well to conform ourselves to his perspective here and also recognize that we need a mediator between us and God and that is supplied in the person of Jesus alright back to you guys any further comments please come down yeah we could be seven of these at all roger please go ahead And my eyes shall behold and not another, though my reins be consumed within me.
And so, you know, it's interesting that Job understood there was a Redeemer. He understood the promises of Genesis 3.15. And he just, you know, he's struggling here in chapter 9.
And so, you know, that's what we have to do. We have to say, okay, God is great. I'm small.
He's infinite. I'm finite. He's holy.
I'm sinful. He's just. I've done evil.
He's eternal. I'm headed to the grave. of what Jesus does on our behalf and for us.
All right, any final comments here? We're out of time. Any final comment come now?
Does that make sense? All right, well, let's go to prayer. Are there any final prayer requests before...
Amen. Faith is the means of reconciliation with God, faith in that mediator, faith in that redeemer, and that one that can present us before his presence. All right, any final prayer requests before Jerry leads us in prayer?
Please come down. All right, Jerry, AE70R, go ahead and close in prayer for us. and for God to meet the needs of those who are in our circle of fellowship.
I'll be returning frequently now to regular amateur units. This is WB-7E-N, with a clear and standing fire. Thank you.
and I'm grateful that God has given me a group of people who are willing to wrestle through this with me and help us by all of our contributions to understand what God's saying to us because there's no part of the scriptures that are just the blessing of expository preaching or expository Bible study as we do. It forces us to address things that sometimes are difficult, sometimes are uncomfortable, but it is all part of the Word of God. And that's what we are called to do is to teach and preach the Word of God.
Tomorrow's your day to pray, so I'll be sending you the request later on today. All right, real good, Al. Thanks for being there.
All right, anybody else want to talk to Roger Coltsine, I'll recognize. Go ahead. KG6J, you'll be here.
All right, we had a double there, and so, Roger, I'll get you second. First of all, Jerry, KG6J. Jerry, KG6J, go ahead.
where I once attended a non-denominational evangelical church, that God the Father sees all sin the same. He doesn't grade it like mankind will grade sin as that sin is worse or that sin isn't as bad. God the Father sees all sin as simply sin.
And yet, Joseph But it's not the same as stabbing someone in the throat with it. So, you know, we can't just say, oh, all sin is equal in the eyes of God. It's true that any sin will keep us out of heaven, but it's not true that every sin is...
stumble children it'll be like healthy a milk stone put around their neck and and that always make me I didn't understand that I three but anyway thanks so much you have answered my question so much six-day in on three that he feels. I can't help but think about how God in his providence led these slaves out to Mount Sinai and had them tremble and shaken their insides to the point where they said, "Oh, we've got to have a mediator. Moses, please, we can't talk to God or it's too frightening." pictures you know are absolutely a wonderful illustration of this issue of mediation so you're right moses and that incident at mount sinai in exodus 20 is a perfect illustration of the mediation of jesus go ahead roger yeah i don't mind the it's impossible.
And so I'm so thankful that we have a Savior, a Redeemer, the Lord Jesus, who is able to present us faultless before God's presence. So, yeah, this need that Job has is the need that every one of us has. You know, he stands awestruck and overwhelmed and completely powerless.
Amen. you you you you you you
========== ### Scripture Reading (KJV)
Job 8:3 (KJV) If God will not turn away his anger, the proud helpers do stoop under him.
### Study Summary
In this Bible study, we delved into the dialogue between Bildad and Job, focusing on Job 8:3 and other relevant passages. Bildad, in his response to Job, argues that Job is accusing God of perverting judgment. Bildad emphasizes that God does not pervert justice, and his rhetorical questions underscore God's justice and power. This sets up a contrast with Job's perspective, where Job recognizes God's justice, wisdom, and power but also acknowledges his need for a mediator to understand and reconcile with God.
Job's understanding of a Redeemer is rooted in Genesis 3:15, where the promise of a Redeemer is first introduced. This theme of a mediator is central to Job's response, reflecting his recognition of his smallness and God's greatness. The discussion also touched on God's sovereignty over all things, including Satan's actions, and the moral responsibility involved. The group discussed the role of Satan in Job's troubles and how God's role as the sustainer and holy one of the cosmos is not compromised by these actions.
The conversation moved to the broader topic of human sin and the need for a mediator to bridge the gap between God and humanity. This led to a discussion on Jesus as the mediator and redeemer, with the cross serving as an indictment on humanity's failure to keep God's holy law. The group emphasized the importance of humans adapting to God, rather than demanding that God adapt to them. This includes the need for humility before God and understanding His perspective, as well as faith in the mediator and redeemer.
Throughout the study, questions were raised about Satan's role and the equality of sin in God's eyes. The group acknowledged the complexity of these issues and the importance of faith and humility in understanding God's perspective. The study concluded with prayer, expressing gratitude for the group's willingness to wrestle through the text and the importance of expository Bible study. ==========