This is WB7MX, neck control for the west coast model study, the net would like to acknowledge Brian KJ7PWM, good morning Brian, good to have you with us, see you there on the Utah STR. Alright, that's Brian, KJ7PWM. Alright any other check-ins this morning, please come down.
Well good morning there, how you doing? Thank you. All right, real good, Brian.
I'm sure thankful for that recording ministry that you have. I know a lot of people go back and either re-listen or listen because they missed the net. So I sure appreciate that resource being there.
All right, Brian, glad you're all caught up with us. We're in Job chapter 7 and 8 today. Roger, WV7VZL, read Job chapter 7 yesterday, but we didn't have much of a chance to discuss it.
So we're going to look back at Job chapter 7, but we're going to be reading Job chapter 8 today. So that's where the focus of our study is going to be, and I appreciate you joining us. All right, that's Brian, TJ7PWN.
All right, other check-ins this morning. Please come down. Thank you.
Thank you. All right, we've got about two minutes to go before we start the net, so we're getting close to the time. Any more check-ins, please come down with your call sign.
Thank you. This is WB7MX, net control for the West Coast Bible Study. The net would like to acknowledge Joe, KD7WBV up there on Battleground Washington.
Good morning, Joe. Good to have you with us. Appreciate you being there.
Hope things are going well for you. All right, that's Joe, KD7WBV. All right, any other check-ins this morning, please come down.
WB7VZL. And good morning, Roger, WB7VZL. Good to have you with us.
How you doing? Yeah, it's great to hear WBV. At least I haven't heard him, but yes, good morning.
It's been a long time since I've heard his call. Yeah, he's there on the Half Moon Bay SDR listening. We haven't heard his voice, but he showed up a day or two ago and now today.
So always glad to have Joe with us. He was always such a great contributor to the net when he had -- his antenna up. But anyway, Roger, good to have you with us.
Any prior requests, Roger? Go ahead. Makes me want to see if we could do something about that for him.
My, uh, yeah. Well, uh, it's a big turn day for my good friend, Brigetta. And she's having that surgery today.
I think that's mainly on my mind. And, uh, Caitlin also, she's, uh, just got back, you know, from alcohol rehab. But it's tough, you know.
On the other side of rehab, sometimes you want to find out what it's like again. And she did, and she's trying to crawl out of that too. Anyway, Caitlin is struggling, but I hope to see her at a group this morning.
Over. Yeah, copy that. Understand how that goes.
And, yeah, she needs a new circle of friends. She needs a new bunch of activities. and she needs to be drawn back out of that world.
So I'm glad she's coming to Bible study. That's a positive improvement. And, yeah, you know, it's one of those things that has such a hold on you and it's such familiar territory.
It's hard to believe that there could be any kind of a life or happiness outside of that addiction. So we'll continue to play for Kaitlyn and also for Brigetta for her surgery today. We got her on the list for sure.
Thank you, Roger, for that. Okay, any other check-ins this morning? Thank you.
All right, Will Keen, Mike 5 Foxtrot. I just got your text message. Thank you for those updates, and we'll talk about those in a minute here.
All right, so, yeah, Will Keogh and Mike Five Foxtrot are listening in. He says VBS is going well. He and Martha Fay are having VBS this week.
And he says Keisha's liver flared up, caught by the doctor and treated. He says, "I have had a very low-grade prostate cancer for about 10 years. Biopsy showed 11 negatives, but one positive.
I get a PET scan and radiation treatment, not worried." Okay, well, copy that. You know, my father-in-law had that low-grade prostate cancer, too. and I think he lived with it for 15 years or whatever and finally died of something else at 99.
So, yeah, copy that. Not worried. Appreciate that.
But we will pray, Will. Thanks for that prayer request update. All right, we got you covered.
All right, let's see, this is WV7MX, Net Control for the West Coast Bible Study. Any final check-ins before we go to prayer and Bible reading? Please come now.
All right, we want to get started with our Bible study, but before we do, we want to open in prayer. Kevin, KB7ZXN, Kevin, could you please open in prayer for us this morning? Thank you.
Yes, absolutely. Let us bow our heads and close our eyes. Most gracious Father, we thank you so very much for this day, for this opportunity to look into your word, to discuss it, to share amongst us its meaning and application in our lives.
Father, we thank you for each and every one here. We pray that you would forgive us of our sins and our failures. Lord, also be with the needs and those prayers we lift up.
And Lord Jesus, we also thank you and give you all praise and glory for answering so many of our prayers in such an affirmative way. Father, we thank you again for this time that we can gather in your name, in your authority, in Jesus' name. Amen.
Kevin, thank you so much for that prayer. I really appreciate that. May the Lord be pleased to grant each of those requests.
Alright, this is WB7MAX. We are in the book of Job. We're going to look at chapter 7 today.
We read that yesterday. But we really didn't get a chance to discuss, and Roger in particular asked that we could spend some time in Chapter 7 today. Also, I want to read together today Chapter 8.
So, Roger, I will read Chapter 7 again, and if you can read Chapter 8 when I get done with Chapter 7. I would appreciate that. QSL there, Roger?
Roger, Roger. All right, real good. So let me read Job chapter 7, which is the last part of Job's reply to Eliphaz, who basically said to him, look, the reason why you're having troubles is because you sinned.
repent of your sins and the troubles will go away. And we know from chapter 1 that Job's sin was not at all the cause of his troubles. Rather, it had a supernatural explanation of a conflict between God and Satan before the angels in the spiritual realm.
So we have a complete mismanagement of counsel here given to Job. And so what we see here in chapter 7 is Job's tremendous anguish And so let's read about that, and then I think Roger has some comments, and maybe others do as well. So, Job chapter 7.
Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? Are not his days also like the day's? of a hireling or a hired man.
As a servant earnestly desires the shadow and the hireling looks for the reward of his work. So am I made to possess months of vanity and wearisome nights are appointed to me. When I lie down, I say...
When shall I arise and that I be gone and I'm full of costumes to and fro For the dawning of the day my flesh is clothed with worms and cloths of dust My skin is broken and become loathsome My days are swifter than a weaver shuttle and are spent without hope. Oh Remember that my life is wind mine. I saw no more see good.
I The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more. Thine eyes are upon me, and I am not, as the cloud is consumed and vanished away. So he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.
He shall return no more to his house, and neither shall his place know him any more. Therefore I will not refrain my mouth. I will speak in the anguish of my spirit.
I will complain in the bitterness of my soul. Am I a sea or a whale that thou saidst to watch over me? When I say my bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint, then you scare me with dreams and terrify me through visions.
so that my soul chooses strangling and death rather than my life. I loathe it. I would not live always.
Let me alone, for my days are vanity. What is man that thou shouldst magnify him, and that thou shouldst set thine heart upon him, and that thou shouldst visit him every morning and try him every moment? How long wilt thou not depart from me, nor let me alone till I swallow down my smittle?
I have sinned. What shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? Why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?
And why dost thou not pardon my transgression and take away my iniquity? For now shall I sleep in the dust. and now shall seek me in the morning, but I shall not be.
All right, Roger, WB7VZL, if you could read for us Job chapter 8, the answer of Bildad the Shuhite, that would be great. Go ahead. WB7VZL, NASB, Ben Bildad the Shuhite answered...
How long will you say these things? And the words of your mouth be a mighty wind. Does God pervert justice?
Or does the Almighty pervert what is right? If your sons sinned against him... Then he delivered them into the power of their transgression.
If you would seek God and implore the compassion of the Almighty, if you are pure and upright, surely now he would rouse himself for you and restore your righteous estate. Though your beginning was insignificant, yet your end will increase greatly. Please inquire of past generations and consider the things stretched out by their fathers.
For we are only of yesterday and know nothing, because our days on earth are as a shadow. Will they not teach you and tell you and bring forth words from their minds? Can the papyrus grow without marsh?
Can the rushes grow without water? While it is still green and not cut down, yet it withers before any other plant. So are the paths of all who forget God, and the hope of the godless will perish.
whose confidence is fragile and whose trust a spider's web. He trusts in his house, but he does not stand. He holds fast to it, but it does not endure.
He thrives before the sun. and his shoots spread out over his garden. His roots wrap around a rock pile he grasps, a house of stone.
If he is removed from this place, then it will deny him, saying, I never saw you. Behold, this is the joy of his way. And lo, out of the dust others will spring.
Lo, God will not reject a man of integrity, nor will he support the evildoers. He will yet fill your mouth with laughter, and your lips with shouting. Those who hate you will be clothed with shame, and the tent of the wicked will be no more.
Back to you, Max. All right, Roger, WB7VZL, great reading. Thank you for that.
All right, so any comments here on Job chapter 7, which is the closing statement of Job? regarding his anguish over his condition and circumstance, and then, of course, Bildad the Shuhite's response to Job's defense of himself regarding the fact that he is not guilty of some secret hypocrisy that is bringing all of this upon him. Please come down to your call time.
How does that make sense? I don't want to jump in too quick. Maybe Roger might have something or someone else.
KB7's just a couple of observations here. You know, we're -- what we've been reading, too, in one context is the poetic section of this book and it's not a poetry as we think about it in the western world as you can tell it's not full of rhymes and connecting thought that way but in a completely different form of how thought is organized and shared. But here we see another transition from Job of his speech as he goes into...
directing his speech toward God. Now he's really stepping into prayer, if you will, and turning his heart toward God. And as we've talked about before, this is tough speech.
But he's speaking from the anguish that he's in. He's speaking from the suffering that he's enduring. He's speaking from the ash heap where he's at.
But he's speaking openly and honestly. from that position of suffering. And this, again, is something that we do see in the Word of God.
In Psalm 22 and 88, in Psalm 102, and as I mentioned before, Jeremiah expresses similarly in Jeremiah 20, I think 7 through 8, But this is probably, without a doubt, the strongest speech toward God. Yet we know at the end of it all, God concludes that Job has spoken rightly of me. So not only is this expression of prayer from Job...
accepted, but really in some ways it's somewhat honored, and I think it's because of the honesty and directness that he's, you know, this isn't some waxing eloquent liturgy here. This is a raw, from-the-heart conversation with God. KV7 is that example.
Yeah, raw conversation from the heart to God. I think that captures it really well, Kevin. Thanks for that expression.
Here's a man who is crushed, a man who is broken, a man who is in anguish. And we would expect that he would be honest about that, and he is. And when you look at the analogies and the word pictures that he uses to express that anguish, it's really very striking.
But, you know, that's the thing is that... He's looking to God. He's not looking to people for solutions here.
He's listening. He's seeing if they have anything to offer. But in the final analysis, answers don't come from people.
Answers come from God. Comfort doesn't come from people. Comfort comes from God.
People are just the avenue through which that counsel comes or that comfort arises. And so, yeah, he is crying out to God, which is exactly what he should be doing. And he's listening for God's voice and God's wisdom and God's counsel in the voices of those who are speaking to him.
And he's saying, well, is this counsel they're giving me congruent with, number one, the word of God, number two, the character of God, and number three, the circumstances in my life? Now, you know, the thing is, is that what we see in Chapter 8 is that Bildad says some really true things. It's just they're not true about Job.
And so his counsel may apply really well to somebody else. who is engaged in completely different behavior and is in completely different circumstances. But, you know, it's like trying to put the wrong size nut on a bolt.
It's just not going to screw on. It'll screw on another one just fine, but not that one. So that's what's going on here.
Before we take further comments, NET would like to acknowledge Carol, KK7TPO. Good morning, Carol. See you there on the Utah SDR.
Glad to have you with us. Appreciate you being there. All right.
Other comments on our passage, please come down with your call sign. Yeah, in my looking into some of the materials, I want to just affirm what I heard from Kevin. A very, very similar analysis, and when Daylene was going through her depression, The Psalms were especially a comfort to her, especially when David was in his depression, because there's so much identity.
There's so much identity with the laments of David in the Psalms and the depressive mind. And it's very, very real. You can't...you feel very far from God, and yet it's the closest that you probably have ever been at the same time as, you know, the juxtaposition of that.
And the Psalms are a great comfort. especially when David is depressed. And here we have a passage that is truly amazing, and I'm so glad Kevin mentioned Jeremiah.
I haven't looked up chapter 27 and 8, 7 and 8 this morning, but I want to because I kept hearing, well, I kept hearing Jeremiah in my mind. Lord, how come I was ever born? I wish I was never born.
And here we have in verse 8 of chapter 7, the eye of him who sees me will behold me no more. In other words, thine eye will be on me, but I will not be. In other words, he is preparing.
to have a comfort of death. And actually many, many of us are... there is a comfort in the sleep of death.
That's why unfortunately with sin, God puts people... He allows the sleep of death to happen. It is a comfort.
there's no more suffering. And that is often how people know that they will be resurrected. But until that time, there is a sleep, as Jesus talks about over and over again.
But in verse 8, It's got to happen soon. If God tries to contact me, I will not be. And then I thought, I haven't read it totally.
In fact, I just ran across it. There was a discussion on the interesting our own book of Job, where Job is laying bare the innermost thoughts and struggles of his heart. And then, as you mentioned, Jeremiah.
And so these are chapters in books where somebody lets us, look right into the innermost part of their being and listen to their thoughts and listen to their struggles. And I think the reason why God provides us with that kind of insight into the inner thinking and struggle of the human heart is for us to realize we're not alone. the same ministerial struggles that Paul went through in 2 Corinthians, we go through.
And the same heights and depths of emotion that David went through in the Psalms, we go through. The same lack of understanding and the puzzlement and the dismay over our circumstances that Job is going through, we go through. And so over and over again, the Bible allows us to compare our inner thoughts and our inner feelings and our inner struggles with other saints of God who have gone through this.
And so we realize what we're experiencing is normal. What we're experiencing, other godly people have experienced. And so it gives us a frame of reference to be able to process what is happening to us.
And so that's the reason why we find our own thoughts being echoed in the thoughts of Paul and Job and David and Jeremiah. And it's a wonderful thing that we don't just have an objective book of doctrines. So we do have that.
We also have a book that brings us into the very subjective, inward struggle of the heart and the life as we try to live for God as broken people in a broken and fallen world. And it gives us a means to understand and to deal with that. All right, Roger, thanks for that.
WV7MX here. Any other comments, please come now. All right, well, while you're thinking, I'd like to talk about chapter 7, beginning in verse 1.
And what we see here is, in the book of Job, there's a lot of word pictures that are used. And so he talks about the working man. And here's the man who he calls a hireling in verse 1 in the King James.
It's like an employer, a servant. You start out at the beginning of the day. You know, you're working, you're struggling, you're getting tired, maybe things aren't going well, and you think, I sure am looking forward to quitting time.
I'm really looking forward to this day being over with. And so in verse 2 it talks about, he earnestly desires the evening is the idea there. When the sun goes down and the shadows grow long.
And because that's kind of the end of his struggles. And so Job is saying, you know, I can't wait for the evening of my life to come so I can be free from these struggles as well. And so really what he's hoping for is death, as Roger mentioned.
And, you know, it says in Revelation chapter 14 and verse 12, "Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord, from henceforth sayeth the Spirit: for they do rest from their labors, and their works do follow them." The idea of resting from labor at the end of life, you know, this life is hard. It's a struggle. And we all think, well, you know, if I could just die and go be with the Lord, I'd be free from all these problems.
And that's true. And that's what Job is really saying here. you know, we can't hasten that day.
We're not allowed to end our own lives. But we do long for the day when we're delivered out of this present evil world and delivered into that glorious rest and blessedness of being in heaven with God. So anyway, that's what Job is talking about here in these first few verses.
And so he says, if I die, I'm not coming back to this earth. Praise the Lord for that. I'm going to move on.
And so he, verse 10, shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him anymore. And, of course, we see our loved ones die. They don't come back to this world of trouble and woe and sickness and sorrow and pain and difficulty and struggle.
And so I was talking with a guy the other day, and I said, you know, death is not an unwelcome outcome for the Christian. In fact, it's something that we're prepared for. It's something we're excited about.
It's something we're looking forward to in the end because we realize that our permanent status is not to forever struggle with our own sin, with the sins of others, and with living in a fallen, sinful world. there's something better that lies ahead of us. So that's really what he's talking about here in the first half of Chapter 7.
Okay, any other comments on either Chapter 7 or 8? Please come down to the call sign. Kevin, KB7ZXN, go ahead.
Yeah, and just reviewing through this again, Joe, really good points, Max and Roger. Boy, so true on what you shared. You know, in one sense, he starts out the first few verses in chapter 7 here, really talking about sometimes the difficulty of the human experience of man in a more general sense that it sometimes can be like...
hard labor working for you know a hard task this is no walk in the park this is no picnic in life that you you know like if you're in you know have tough military service or You know, the task ahead of you, the job ahead of you, you know, it can be a struggle. It can be tough. You know, you wake up each day knowing what you're facing, this great struggle and challenge ahead.
But then he goes into the next section here in Chapter 7 where he gets personal on, on what he's suffering and the extent of it. And it becomes quite dark, but he's so honest. And, you know, this is, I think, important too because, Roger, you touched on it with depression.
But when the pain and the anguish, when you cannot... seem to find any freedom from them and in you know some of sort of probably always by now I have experienced some sort of severe pain or chronic pain for a period of time maybe ongoing or you just can't find a comfortable position you can't get free from the physical pain, or maybe it's spiritual or emotional pain, or maybe it's all of the above. It seems like in Job's case where it becomes such a place of, of suffering that you cannot, like in a hole, and you cannot see past your circumstance.
Now Job does look past it toward the comfort of death because he cannot see where in his circumstance there is any hope. You know, he's struggling so much, he's lost everything. His wife is really gnawing at him to just throw in the towel.
And here he's got open wounds and infections that just at this time have no appearance of any chance of healing. And then he's got these supposed friends now. you know, falsely applying guilt to him.
And what a just, I'll tell you, our heart just breaks for Job as he's going through these things, you know. And But there's a part of us, I think, that do understand and make that connection. I was thinking of Psalm 88, 15, and 318 and things there, too.
But, yeah, it's quite an impactful, I mean... circumstance that he's going through but yet in all of this he is not responding the way Satan had hoped and and expected even in this deepest anguish he has still not not blaspheme God and and not see it kb7 said example Yeah, Kevin, thanks for referring to Psalm 88. We don't have time to read the whole psalm, but I would encourage you all to read Psalm 88 after the net.
And verse 15 that Kevin mentioned, I'm afflicted and ready to die from my youth up while I suffer thy terrors. I am distracted. Thy fierce wrath goeth over me, and thy terrors have cut me off.
So here's the psalmist really in a dark place and in a difficult struggle, wondering what's going on and enduring a tremendous pain and sorrow. You know, I've been told that... A king asked his counselors, his wise counselors, "Give me a phrase that's true for every situation I find myself in." And they went and they thought for a couple weeks, and they came back and they said, "We've come up with a phrase." And the king says, "What is it?" "Well, here's the phrase: 'This too shall pass.'" So no matter what our circumstance is in earth, on this earth, it's temporary.
This too shall pass. Whether we have great prosperity and great health, great blessing, great finances, that's going to pass away. And if we have great suffering and great sorrow and great difficulty, that too is going to pass away because everything in this life is temporary.
But when we get to heaven, That statement will never be true again. And when we're under judgment and held, that statement will never be true again. And so we have the temporary state now, and we have the permanent state then.
either in heaven or in hell. And so the comfort we have now is that whatever we're going through, we don't cling to it if it's wonderful. We don't collapse under it if it's awful because it's all going to go away.
And the main thing we need to be focused on is, am I ready to enter heaven? Have I repented of my sins? Am I trusting in Jesus Christ alone as my Savior?
And if I am, then whatever this life has is going to go away, and then we're going to have that eternal blessedness with Christ in heaven forever and ever, and that will never pass away. And so we long for permanence. We'll have it then.
We certainly don't have it now. So anyway, all right, other comments on Joe, especially any comments on Chapter 8, please come down. All right, the net would like to acknowledge a couple of check-ins.
We've got Eric, KD7ES. Eric, good morning, good to have you with us. We've got Phillip, K6HSV, Phillip.
Good to have you with us as well. And we also have Dan, N6T&I. Thank you, people, for checking in on the SDRs.
Appreciate you being with us. All right, any other comments on Chapter 7 or 8? Please let me know.
WB7, is that all? Roger. Please go ahead.
Yeah, when I was reading it, and I've touched on some aspects of 8 and I want to do a little 8 is like the reformers, they stopped at a certain point. And if it's not in the catechism, in other words, if you were a Lutheran, you know you grew up Lutheran and if Luther didn't say it then it's out of it's out of the box and I can't go there if Calvin didn't say that or if he if the catechism that Calvin you know his I read his institutes and he's absolutely brilliant in his young age. But in other words, we stop with where the reformers stop with.
It's all about what happened in history. And there's a lot of truth to... If you forget your history, you're bound to repeat the past.
But this... Chapter 8 is highlighting how important the past is, you know, but he's fixed on only one aspect of God's character. In other words, the people that get fixed on law and justice and obedience, if they don't know about grace and forgiveness and substitution, they're lopsided.
And we have, I think, a lopsided Bildad here. Over. Thank you.
Well said, Roger. We do have a lopsided build-out. He has this one-dimensional theology, and the dimension of theology he has is right theology.
I mean, he says here in verse 3 of chapter 8, you know, does God pervert judgment? Well, absolutely not. Does the Almighty pervert justice?
He doesn't. And then he draws a conclusion in verse 4. He says, if thy children have sinned against him, and he has cast them away for their transgression, if you would then seek after God and make supplication to the Almighty, if you were pure and upright, surely now he would awake for thee and make the habitation of thy righteousness prosperous.
So he says, God killed your children because they sinned. You're suffering because you sin. If you just get right with God, everything would be right.
Well, you know, if the diagnosis were correct, which it isn't, but if it were, then the remedy would be proper. I mean, if people are living in open, defiant, willful, hypocritical sin, and God brings chastisement for that to bring them to repentance. This would be perfect counsel for that.
But the problem is that his premise is wrong, and that is that the children were sinful and Job was sinful. And so when the diagnosis is wrong, then the remedy is going to be wrong. And that's the problem here.
So you're right. This guy has only part of the truth. He presents it as the whole truth, and therefore it becomes an untruth.
And so he goes back and he calls upon history. Verse 8, inquire, I pray thee, of the former age. Prepare thyself to the search of their fathers.
we're just of yesterday we know nothing because our days are on the earth through shadow shall they teach the Intel be so he appeals to the ancient authorities anything what did they say and he says they're saying the same thing I'm saying and so he's saying that you know verse 20 God will not cast away a perfect man neither will he help the evildoers And so the idea here is that it's all about cause and effect. If we see an effect, there can only be one cause. Well, if we see an effect, there can be seven or eight or ten different causes that could be the source of that effect.
And that's where the failure of the analysis was here. And so, yeah, we've got to be able to think outside perhaps a box that we've been trained in and consider that, you know, whether it's Luther or Calvin or L.N.G. White or whoever, we all have to say, okay, all truth did not reside with these people.
There may be things they got wrong. There may be things in addition to what they had to teach us. And so we have to think about that and be willing to hear and listen and grow beyond perhaps a narrower theology that would talk to us to a more biblical and full theology.
I know I've certainly had to make that journey and grow beyond my teachers because they didn't have some things right. And these teachers here don't have some things right either. So it's a journey.
It's a process of listening and learning and growing. All right. Any other comments on this passage, please come down.
Is that XM? Yeah. I think I heard Kevin.
The band is getting weak. Thank you for that relay, Roger. Kevin, KB7ZXN, please go ahead.
I'm sorry, Max, I missed. Are you still opening for comments, or is this prayer time? He's wanting to know whether it's prayer time or open for a comment.
Yeah, thanks. Kevin, go ahead and make your final comment, and then we'll do prayer. Okay, very good.
I will just make a brief comment on Chapter 8 here. And we see Job really dealing with Bildad in a way that someone who has really locked in traditions, and the tradition of the fathers and of his time. And sometimes the wisdom of those traditions can be very valuable.
But when that is the only framework that you have to work from, and you don't recognize a living sovereign God, then you can quickly move into error. And we sometimes see this even with churches today, that, well, you know, this is the way we've always done it, or this is the way it's always done. Well, if it's not according to the living Word of God and...
his intent and his application, then maybe we ought to stop and maybe tradition isn't the best avenue. You know, as you use the analogy of making the wrong size nut fit on the wrong, you know, a different size bolt. There's nothing wrong with the nut.
But if it's not, if God didn't design it to fit on that particular bolt, well, it's just not going to work out well. And so same with tradition. And Bildad is clearly one of those.
that has just decided in his mind, well, this is the way it is. And in his mind, their tradition is that the righteous always prosper and the wicked never prosper. Well, we know that that's not always the case.
In fact, we have plenty of Psalms and experience in our own lives where we wonder, Lord, why isn't the wicked prosper and the righteous suffer? And here we see a powerful example of that with Job. KB 7 is that example.
Yeah, Kevin, it reminds me of the passage where Jesus said in Matthew 4, man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. And most theological failure, most failure to understand and provide proper counsel for circumstances, is ignorance of the whole counsel of God. So we need to...
be people who learn the entire Bible, the entire system of theology taught in the Bible, and then we will be ready to accurately assess situations according to sound theology and according to sound counsel. and it bites. So, yep, we've got to be students of the word.
And it will be kind of like a guy who went to the first two years of medical school and never finished the last two. He might be really good at taking out an appendix, but he wouldn't know anything about heart surgery. And so we have a lot of truncated theology and theological systems and understandings that sometimes are very good.
in limited areas but because they're missing other areas and haven't fully fleshed out a sound physical well-rounded complete theology, wind up doing some theological malpractice in the way in which they bring counsel to bear or teaching to bear. Alright, we are done. It is time for us to go to our prayer time.
Are there any final prayer requests before I close the prayer? Please come down with your prayer request. All right, well, let's pray together.
Let's pray together. Our Father, we thank you so much for this book of Job. And Father, we see that humans sometimes err greatly in their understanding of what you are doing and why you are doing it.
And Father, sometimes we're not allowed to even know what you're doing or why you're doing it. We're just called upon to trust you in our circumstances and to wait. on your purposes and to continue to trust, believe, and worship and serve, even though there is much in our lives that is distressing to us.
Father, Satan would love for us to believe that you're cruel, that you're uncaring, that you're unjust. And Lord, we know that nothing can be further from the truth, that nothing can separate us from the love of Christ. that there's nothing that's too hard for you and that your faithfulness to your promises is absolutely rock solid.
You are not a man that you would lie. And neither is the Son of Man that you would repent. As you said, shall you not make it good?
And so, Lord, we just... have implicit faith in you. Whatever you say, whatever you do, whatever providence that you bring into our lives, we know that that is for good and that you mean good with it and you're going to accomplish good through it.
And so we patiently endure, Father, with an attitude of humility. with an attitude of thankfulness, and with an attitude of trust. And now, Father, we bring before you the needs of our hearts.
Father, I just want to pray today for our dear brother Will, Q Mike 5 Foxtrot. Father, he and Martha Faye are doing Vacation Bible School this week. Lord, I pray your good hand of blessing would be on that.
Father, I just ask that the teachers would have wisdom in teaching, that you would open the hearts of the kids and their parents who are attending, and that, Lord, salvation would be accomplished in the lives of those that are being ministered to. and that growth and encouragement would be in the lives of those who are receiving that ministry. Father, we want to pray for Keisha.
Lord, we hear that her liver numbers are back up. And Lord, I just pray that you would prepare her a liver transplant in due time. But Father...
She really needs a heart transplant. She needs that heart of stone taken out, and she needs that heart of flesh put in. So you're regenerating work.
So, Father, be pleased to save Keisha. And, Lord, we thank you for the good news about Will's biopsy on his prostate. Father, thank you that the prostate cancer he has is real low-grade, and it grows real slow.
and thank you that he's not worried about that and that, Lord, we just pray that you would be pleased to stop any further progress. And Father, we will know many, many more years of service to you free from any... further problem from that slow-growing cancer in his prostate.
Father, I just want to pray today for Sean. Mike at W7TWO told us about his motorcycle accident. And, Father, he's got serious broken ribs.
And, Father, I just pray that you would heal him. Give the doctors wisdom in knowing what to do in terms of managing those broken ribs. whether to set them or what should happen.
Thank you, Father, that Sean's a believer in Christ. And, Lord, I just pray for his comfort. I pray for his peace.
I pray for his freedom from pain. And, Lord, I just pray for his peace. Lord, I just want to pray today for Jerry, KG6J.
Thank you, Jerry. Father, work is just off the rail, and he is crazy busy. Lots of demands are being placed on him.
Give him special grace, Father, to work through all of those problems, to handle the extra load and burden that he's under right now. And, Father, I pray that you give him peace in his body. Lord, we just want to pray today for Brigetta Davis.
She's having a wrist surgery for rheumatoid arthritis. Lord, I pray that they would not have to fuse her wrist. I pray that she would be able to continue to have mobility with reference.
And Father, I just pray that she would have mercy on her. And Father, we just want to pray for Caitlin. Lord, Caitlin went through alcohol rehab and they got out and fell back in.
to another episode of drinking. And yet, Lord, she's showing us the Bible studies today with Roger and others. Lord, I pray that Caitlin would be able to put that alcohol behind her once and for all.
And Lord, I pray that she would find in Christ all the fulfillment of that aching inner need that keeps her trying to fill with alcohol. Lord, I pray that she would become safe. And I pray, Lord, that she would focus on Jesus.
And I pray that she would mortify this sin in her life. Father, we just want to pray today for my pastor, Pastor Jeff Black, in healing from his large intestine inflammation. Lord he's going to have a colonoscopy on Thursday Lord I pray that that would be the means of an accurate diagnosis and then the foundation for an accurate treatment plan for him Father I just pray that you bring peace in his body and healing to him Father we want to pray for Kevin KB7 Feddickson's daughter.
Father, we understand she has gallstones and that she's scheduled for surgery to remove those. Pray the surgery would go well. Pray that the function of her gallbladder would operate well and that she wouldn't have to have that thing removed, but just the gallstones themselves.
So, Father, we pray for that upcoming surgery that would go well. Lord, I pray that... mountain rail, which has really turned to you and trust in you for this process.
Father, we just want to pray today for Brother Ed in 6XOH. He's going to be traveling to Sacramento for his grandson's graduation on June 4th. That's this coming Thursday.
And so, Father, be pleased to give him safety down there and back. and Father, a blessed time with the grandkids. Father, we pray for Beck, Alpha Alpha Phi Yankee, his friend Anthony, W7DGM, for safety on his road trip.
And Lord, I just pray that I might be able to meet Anthony at CPAC on Saturday. Lord, we want to pray for our brother John, WB7WQK, Lord, he's having a lot of pain. He's struggling with how to manage that pain.
Lord, I pray that you would take the pain away so that he wouldn't have to resort to pain-killing drugs. But, Father, if he needs those, I pray that you'd have wisdom in managing them. And, Lord, I just pray that you would help him to have good health, good mobility, and freedom from pain.
Father, we continue to pray for Jerry, Al KJ722H's wife. I pray that her recovery from her cataract surgery will go exceptionally well and it should give her very clear vision in that new eye, Father, that received that intervention. Father, we pray for Mike, a Ki7 RSV who is traveling on an extended road trip to several give him safety as he travels.
And then Father Phil, K6HFC. His friend Fred is dying of cancer. Lord, we pray that you would surround Fred with your arms, give him comfort, and we look for his...
passing into the arms of Jesus. Father we pray for Doc W6RLJ. Lord we just pray for the kidneys that are diseased and not functioning properly.
Lord we pray for healing for him and for the doctors at Stanford to be able to figure out what's going on there. And Lord we pray that in spite of Doc's disability that the dental clinic in Pekin would go forward and that would be established staffed by others who would be able to minister the gospel in that island country. Father, we continue to pray for Cody Kassum, TRS, and Lisa Noe.
We pray for salvation. Thank you that she's back home where her mom, where she belongs. And I pray for her protection from evil influence and friends.
And Lord, may she find Christ. and follow him with all of our heart, soul, mind, and strength. Lord, we pray for our brother's aid, AI-722, and his prison ministry in the Idaho State Correctional Facility as a volunteer services coordinator, and also, Father, for the services he conducts in the juvenile correctional facility there in Idaho.
Lord, give Dave wisdom in dealing with the prisoners. And Lord, I pray that so many would find redemption in Christ and turning away from the life of Christ and the usefulness in the kingdom of God. Lord, we pray for our brother Keith, WB7RKR.
For the healing of his damaged bicep, we pray for his wife, Ronnie, who has Alzheimer's. We pray that it would not progress. And Lord, give peace, special strength, wisdom, and patience in caring for her.
Fill peace with hope, Father, and may he know that joy is peace. of the Holy Spirit working in his life as he ministers to Ronnie today. Father, we pray for Danny, birthed twice, W7RKD, for the continued remission of her EMS.
Father, just pray that their air conditioning system would work well and that she would not be exposed to the heat that triggers that. And then, Father, our brother Mike at W7TWO. Father, thank you that his excavator is working well Thank you, Father, for the degree of health and mobility he has.
We pray for a rollback on the impact of his polio. We pray for freedom to be. And, Lord, we just want to pray that you would be with Shetty.
whose husband died give her comfort strength and wisdom and Father as Mike is able to minister to her may they both rejoice in the comfort of the gospel together and now Lord we want to thank you for your goodness your mercy and your grace to each one of us and for the gifts of your son Jesus Christ in whom we trust alone for the forgiveness of our sins, for our redemption, and for our reconciliation with you. We ask all these things in Jesus' name. Amen.
All right, this is WB7MX, Net Control for the West Coast Bible Study. I want to thank all the stations who checked in this morning, as well as those who stood by to give us a clear operating frequency. We meet here seven days a week at 6 a.m.
in order to read the scriptures, understand their meaning message and application, And then pray for grace and mercy to be able to live out what we learn and for God to meet the needs of those that are in our circle of fellowship. I'll be returning this frequency now to regular amateur use. This is WB7MX.
I'll be clear and standing by. Okay, I heard a station, W something. Station, please try again.
Okay, WB7, WQK, got it that time, John. Thank you. You bet, John.
Appreciate you being here, and thanks for your encouragement, and we love you, brother, and continue to uphold you before the throne of grace. John. Thank you.
God bless and have a great day. WB7WQK, WB7MAS. Okay, John, lost you in the mud again.
The band is starting to deteriorate. So, you know, I'm going to have to go back and get you back in the car. Please text message me or email me.
My email address on QRZ is good and I'd love to know more about what you're saying there. Okay, real good. Alright, got a note here from Eric, KD-70S, Max Goodnet today.
Praise the Lord for that, Eric. Glad you were able to sit in and listen. Appreciate you being there, brother.
Alright, WB7VZL, go ahead. WB7VZL? Roger, WB7VZL, go ahead.
Yeah, I'm kinda like Bill Dabb. I'm so stuck on those wonderful call signs. When I grew up in ham radio and the traditions that it either had a K something, K number, or all these call signs that I didn't grow up with.
And you, uh, you know, you're a good friend of mine. didn't have those traditions and you handle these call signs like a gymnast handling their abilities to the amazement of the old people. I'm in total admiration.
I have never gotten used to all the variety that you encounter and you don't know any difference. What a Yeah, copy that Roger. Yeah, I've only been a hand without three years.
And, you know, I have these call signs written down. It's the only way I can remember them with names. And sometimes, you know, they just pop right into my head.
And other times it's like, "What was that?" So thank you, Roger, and appreciate your prayers for me that God will give me facility. and skill in running the traffic on the net. Well, you're going to get to do this, brother, on Saturday morning.
So, anyway, don't worry about it, you know, just take it as it comes. And all you got to do is check people in and then, you know, give them permission to speak when they throw out their call signs. Beck has promised to be there.
He wasn't here today. I'm not sure what he's doing, but anyway, he's going to run the FDRs for you, and you guys will get it done. So all you got to do is be here at 5:40 to start taking check-ins, and I will be back Sunday.
So just one day there, Roger, and I appreciate you stepping up to the plate. it's going to be just fine, over. Well, it certainly will not be the max agility.
And like I say, I hardly ever do the, I don't even begin to do the work that you do with all the early morning check-ins and all the reinforcements. As you say, you work on that and it's very much an evidence that It is truly amazing. So anyway, I'm glad that Beck is doing the digital world because I have no idea about that.
Thank you, Mack. Blessings. WB7VZL.
All right, Roger. I'll send you the prayer request and I'll send you the check-in sheet and I will send you the email. a little script that I used to get off the air.
And I'll send all those to Daylene, and she'll send those to you. So no worries. Anyway, I appreciate you being there, brother.
Always appreciate your comments and appreciate your strong station. and your fellowship so thankful all right wb7 max anyone else want to jump in here and comment please come with your call sign well good I'm glad you were here yesterday even though maybe you didn't and check in. And John, thanks for listening, even when you can't check in.
So no worries on that. And we know we've got dozens and dozens of people who listen who never check in. And that's wonderful.
We love all those folks. And if someone wants to check in, fine. If they don't, fine.
if they want to talk, fine. If they don't want to talk, fine. So anyway, we really appreciate every person plugging in where they can and how they can and when they can.
And it just increases the blessing to each one the more that participate. John, thank you for that. WB7W, WB7MX.
========== ### Scripture Reading (KJV)
**Job 7:1-21, 8:1-22**
Then said Job, Is there not an appointed time to man upon the earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling? As the servant earnestly desireth the shadow, and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work: So am I made to possess months of vanity, and wearisome nights are appointed to me. When I lie down, I say, When shall I arise, and the night be gone? and I am full of tossings to and fro unto the dawning of the day. My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is broken, and become loathsome. My days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle, and are spent without hope. O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good. The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more: thine eyes are upon me, and I am not. As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more. He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more. Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul. I am not afraid of thy terror; in despair I am not moved. I am already afraid of all my sorrows, I know that thou wilt not hold me innocent. If I justify myself, mine own mouth shall condemn me: if I say, I am perfect, it shall also prove me perverse. Would to God that my grief were throughly tried: that I knew I should be found honest! I would know mine end, and find it as a consuming: I would know where I might hope. But I know that thou wilt bring me to death, and to the house appointed for all living. Howbeit he will not stretch out his hand to the grave, though they cry in his destruction. How much less to him that abhorreth not his own soul? All things are given him: he covereth his face with his destruction. If a man's ways please him, he will not find out his sin. He will depart in a whirlwind, and be gone. He will give his bread for stones, and his flesh for the grave. The iniquities of his youth shall be remembered in the day of his death: and his sins shall be made known. He shall be brought to the grave, and shall remain in the heap. The clods of the valley shall be sweet unto him: and every man shall draw after him, as there are innumerable before him. How then comfort ye me in vain, seeing in your answers there remaineth falsehood?
Then answered Bildad the Shuhite, and said, How long wilt thou speak these things? and how long shall the words of thy mouth be like a strong wind? Doth God pervert judgment? or doth the Almighty pervert justice? If thy children have sinned against him, and he have cast them away for their transgression; If thou wouldest seek unto God betimes, and make thy supplication to the Almighty; If thou wert pure and upright; surely now he would awake for thee, and make the habitation of thy righteousness prosperous. Though thy beginning was small, yet thy latter end should greatly increase. For inquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers: (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow:) Shall not they teach thee, and tell thee, and utter words out of their heart? Can the rush grow up without mire? can the flags grow without water? Whilst it is yet in his greenness, and not cut down, it withereth before any other herb. So are the paths of all that forget God; and the hypocrite's hope shall perish: Whose hope shall be cut off, and whose trust shall be a spider's web. He shall lean upon his house, but it shall not stand: he shall hold it fast, but it shall not endure. He is green before the sun, and his branch shooteth forth in his garden. His roots are wrapped about the heap, and seeth the place of stones. If he destroy him from his place, then it shall deny him, saying, I have not seen thee. Behold, this is the joy of his way, and out of the earth shall others grow. Behold, God will not cast away the righteous; neither will he take away his anger from the wicked. He will yet fill thy mouth with laughing, and thy lips with shouting. They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame; and the dwelling of the wicked shall come to nought.
### Study Summary
The study of Job chapters 7 and 8 delves into Job's profound anguish and the misguided counsel of his friend Bildad. Job's reply to Eliphaz, who wrongly attributes his troubles to sin, is a heartfelt cry to God for understanding and comfort. In Job 7:1-10, Job expresses his longing for death, comparing his life to a hireling's days, filled with vanity and wearisome nights. His cry to God in verses 11-21 is a poignant expression of his pain and his need for divine intervention.
Kevin, KB7ZXN, draws parallels between Job's speech and the Psalms (Psalm 22, 88, 102) and Jeremiah (Jeremiah 20:7-8), emphasizing the subjective struggles of saints in the Bible and how these provide comfort to believers today. The discussion highlights the importance of honest and direct prayer, reflecting Job's sincere expression of his inner turmoil.
In Job 8, Bildad's counsel to Job is based on tradition and history, as seen in verses 1-22. Bildad's one-dimensional theology, focused solely on justice and punishment, is deemed inappropriate given Job's circumstances. Roger, WB7VZL, underscores the importance of tradition but also the need to think beyond it, emphasizing the necessity of a balanced understanding of God's character and purposes.
The study concludes with theological reflections on the importance of a balanced theology that includes grace and forgiveness, not just justice. The temporary nature of earthly circumstances and the importance of an eternal perspective are highlighted. The group prays for various individuals and situations, reflecting on the need for continued participation and encouragement.
WB7MX encourages participants to read Psalm 88 after the study, providing context for Job's reply to Eliphaz and emphasizing the importance of honest and direct prayer. The study ends with a reminder of the importance of a comprehensive understanding of God's character and purposes, and the need to maintain an eternal perspective amidst temporary earthly circumstances. ==========