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♪♪ ♪♪ Our scripture reading today is going to be in Job chapter 6 and chapter 7. So we've got a lot of reading to do here, Job chapter 6 and chapter 7. Jerry, 8E7ER, if you could be prepared to read chapter 6, that's 30 verses there, Jerry.

Would appreciate that. Can you handle that? Good, no.

Jerry, thank you for that. That's Job chapter 6 for you. All right, and if Roger comes on, we'll have him read chapter 7.

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I have a friend. Her name is Brigetta Davis. She's the mother of Craig, who, as I told you, converted from Protestantism to Catholicism.

orientation for sure and I attended the baptism. She has had many years of RNA rheumatoid arthritis and it's severe. just tragic loss of joint and deformation.

So she's having surgery tomorrow on the wrist, and they're debating whether they should fuse the wrist or if she's capable to have a wrist that is still movable. And so that's her prayer that they would avoid, and they can, that they can avoid refusing surgery tomorrow when she has surgery. Anyway, that's how I pick up on her great need right now.

And I asked her whether she would like us to pray for her, and she said, of course, for sure. Anyway, that's Brigetta Davis and my longtime friend here in the Walla Walla Valley. WB, some of these at all?

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Thank you for that. Appreciate that. Roger, we're going to do some more reading today.

I wonder if you could read for us Job chapter 7. That's a rather long section, but nevertheless you have a strong station. So if you could read that, Job chapter 7 for us today when the time comes, I'd appreciate that.

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I think we're caught up on our SDRs and our voice check-ins, so we're going to get started. We are in Job chapter 6 and chapter 7. We're covering large sections now because this is an extended discourse and discussion between Job and his three friends, Eliphaz, Bildad, and Zophar, about...

what has happened to him, about why it's happened, and about what God is doing in the situation. And we see that these three friends came to comfort Job, but they have done anything but comfort Job. And so Eliphaz opened with the initial argument that gets repeated in one way or another by all three of these people, on several occasions and that is the job is suffering because job is guilty of some great hidden sin that he is unwilling to own and to repent of So yesterday in chapter 4 in verses 7 and 9 we saw Eliphaz saying I remember I pray thee whoever perished being innocent and Or where were the righteous cut off, even as I have seen that they that plow iniquity and sow wickedness reap the same?

By the blast of God they perish, and by the breath of his nostrils are they consumed. So he goes on in chapter 5, verses 17 and 18, and says this. He says, So the essence of the message there in chapters 5 and 6 was that Job, the only reason you're suffering is because you've got some sin in your life.

God's chastising you for it. Repent, and the chastisement will be lifted. Well, we're going to see Job's response to that today.

And we're going to do that as we read chapters 6 and 7. And, you know, it's interesting for us to note that Job recognizes that he's a sinner. But he also declares in no uncertain terms that there is not the degree or the type of sin in his life that would even begin to merit sin.

this severity of a chastisement that God's bringing into his life. So we can have this sense that, yes, I'm sinful, but we can also say, but I'm walking faithfully with the Lord. And, yeah, I have my ups and downs, but my orientation is towards God, and when I do fail, I confess my sin, I ask forgiveness, I get up, I get going again.

That's the normal Christian life. God doesn't chastise people for that. Certainly adversity comes into our life for a variety of reasons.

But as long as we're walking with integrity before the Lord, confessing our sins as they occur, repenting, getting right, getting going again, that's the normal Christian life. Where the dominating characteristic is, is that, yeah, we follow God, we serve God, we love God, we worship God, we witness for God. Right.

And, you know, we don't sit here and say we have no sin. That would make us a liar. But at the same time, we're those who are dealing with sin as it arises faithfully and not covering it up.

And most of all, not justifying it and going on in it. So that's Job's confession here. And so he's saying, look.

your answer is not the right answer. So that's where we're at in our study today. Before we do our Bible reading, we want to open in prayer.

And so, Mike, W7TW, could you please open in prayer for us today? Yes. I'm sorry.

We thank you for the opportunity to get together here on the air and Amen, Mike. Thank you for that prayer. I really appreciate that.

All right, Jerry, AE70R, if you could read for us Job chapter 6 and then Roger... WB7VZL, if you could read for us Job chapter 7. So we're going to have quite a bit of reading here.

Jerry, A70R, go ahead. All right, of course, reading. It's in verse 15.

There's a word called wadi, and it's the bed of the stream that stays dry most of the year. All right, we're in chapter 6. In Job 18, they that my grief were actually weighed.

and laid in the balance together with my calamity. For there it would be heavier than the sands of the sea. Therefore my words have been read.

For the errors of the Almighty are with me. They're poison, my spirit brings. The terror of God are raised against me.

This is a wild donkey, gray over his grass. or does an ox low over his fodder? Can something tasteless be eaten without salt?

Or is there any taste in the light of night? My soul refuses to touch them. They are like once loathsome food to me.

Why did my request my sin to pass, and that God would grant my long life? Could it God be willing to touch me, that He would loose His hand and cut me off, so that He would fill my consolation, and I rejoiced in His staring face? That I have denied the words of the Holy Ghost, what is my strength?

that I should wait? What is my act that I should endure? Is my strength the strength of salt?

Or is my strength strong? Is it that my health is not with me, and that deliverance is driven from me? Or that a scaring man is to be kind to his friends?

So that he does not portray the fear of the Almighty. My brothers have acted deceitfully like wadis. Like the torrents of wadis which vanish.

Which are turbid. Which are turbid because of rye. And either which smell milk.

And when they become waterless, they are silenced. When they were caught, they vanished from their place. The paths of their course are one to one.

They go up under nothing and perish. The caravans had seen the look. The travelers of Sheba hoped to run.

They were disappointed, for they trusted. They came there and were confounded. Indeed, you have become cut.

Do you see, hear, and or pray? Have I said, give me something? Or offer a bribe from me, from my love?

Or deliver me from the hand of adversity? Adversary, or redeem me from the hand of tyrant? Teach me, and I will be silent.

and show me how I have erred. I'll cancel our honest truth. What, then, sir, are you in the truth?

Do you intend to reprove my works when the works of one and despair belongs to the right? You would even test what is a orphan and barter for your friends. Now please look at me and see if I lie to your face.

Be swift now. Let there be no injustice. Even be swift, my righteousness is yet to be.

Is there injustice on my face? cannot my palate discern climate. Back to you at Chapter 7AE7A.

Roger WB7VZL, go ahead with Chapter 7. WB7VZL with Chapter 7, NASB. Is not man forced to labor on Earth?

And are not his days like the days of a hired man? As a slave who pants for the shade, and as a hired man who eagerly waits for his wages, so am I allotted months of vanity, and nights of trouble are appointed me. When I lie down, I say, When shall I arise?

But the night continues, and I am continually tossing until dawn. My flesh is clogged or clothed with worms and a crust of dirt. My skin hardens and runs.

my days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle and come to an end without hope verse 7 remember that my life is but a breath my eye will not again see good The eye of him who sees me will behold me no more. Thine eyes will be on me, but I will not be. When a cloud vanishes, it is gone.

So he who goes down to Sheol does not come up. He will not return again to his house, nor will his place know him anymore. Therefore...

I will not restrain my mouth. I will speak in the anguish of my spirit. I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.

Am I the sea or the sea monster? that I should set a guard over me? If I say my bed will comfort me, my couch will ease my complaint, then thou dost frighten me with dreams and terrify me by visions, so that my soul would choose suffocation rather than my pains.

I waste away, I will not live forever. Leave me alone, for my days are but a breath. What is man that thou dost magnify him, and that thou art concerned about him, that thou dost examine him every morning, and try him every moment?

Will thou never turn thy gaze away from me, nor let me alone until I swallow my spittle? Have I sinned? What have I done to thee, O watcher of men?

Why hast thou set me a target as thy target, so that I am a burden to myself? Why then dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away my iniquity? For now I will lie down in the dust, and thou shalt seek me, but I will not be.

Page turn here. Oh, that is the end of that. Okay, we're ready for Chapter 8.

Back to you, Max. WB7VZL. Okay, Roger and Jerry, thank you both for those readings, great readings.

Much appreciated. All right, so what we have here is Job's response to Eliphaz's analysis and conclusion that he drew about why Joe was going through what he was going through and what he needed to do in relationship to it. All right, are there any comments on this section?

Please come down to the call sign. ZXN. Kevin, KP7ZXN, please go ahead.

Thank you, Max. KB7 ZXN, I'll get the ball rolling here. And, yeah, great foundation there, Max, that you've laid here.

And, you know, as we've looked at this, this is not easy reading and really causes us to really stop in our tracks and consider all that is presented to us here. You know, we have the first couple of chapters where we see the counsel of God and the attacks of Satan on Job that has caused just enormous loss and suffering. and then seven days of silence in the next chapter with the expressions of lament from job and then this aliphaz uh friend coming with his great theological uh counsel but disastrous pastoral ministry here and um and and job responds here and um You know, it's quite interesting, the text that we read.

It's some tough things that Job says. But one of the things that, and I'll probably point to this again in the future too, is in the light of all that Job responds to here in these two chapters, is not condemned by God. You know, when God does finally speak in chapters 38 through 41, He does not say, "Job, you've gone too far.

Job, you've crossed the line in what you've said." In fact, in chapter 42, verse 8, he says, "Job has spoken of me what is right." But the friends are condemned for their speech. in chapter 6 verse 13 verse first 13 verses I'll just speak to you real quick and that is he speaks raw he speaks plainly he does not you know God does not uh expect us to speak in some performative, composed fashion or mask our suffering with some theological response. He speaks wrong.

He speaks from the place he is at. And here's a man whose suffering has gone beyond what he can bear, you know, to the very brink of just what we can imagine. and he and he then were used as kind of a symbol and represented justice weighing, you know, one thing over another and a measurement of justice.

We still look at the scales of justice today as a scale of kind of balancing things. justice if you will but he's saying this scale is so far out of bounds the suffering that I have been you know here he is in the ash heap with fresh graves around him and suffering tremendously in all counts and he says you have no idea The facts are the facts. And when someone perverts the facts, we don't say, oh, yeah, well, you're right, I'm sorry.

You say, no, here is the truth of the situation. And we don't yield on that. Because to make a piece based on injustice, based on misrepresentation of what happened and what was done, is a false peace and it's never anything that lasts because it's not genuine.

And so that's what Job is saying is, look, I'm happy to resolve this situation. I just need a legitimate answer, not a false and a fake answer. And so I appreciate you pointing out the fact, Kevin, also that this is not easy reading.

And what we have here are extended work pictures of... But he forsakes the fear of the Almighty. My brethren have dealt deceitfully with me like a brook, which is dried up.

And so here you come, and you're thirsty, and you come to this creek bed, and you're looking for water, and there's no water there, right? And it's like, well, you lied. You said you were a stream, and I show up and there's no water.

And what he's saying is that this man who has come and offered to solve the situation, when Job looks at it, he says there's nothing there. Not only is there not a solution there, but there is a lie. And so it's important for us to understand in the midst of all these words, these extended word pictures, what the central idea is in each of them.

And, you know, oftentimes we'll go to somebody for counsel. And, you know, it's a dry book. There's nothing there.

There's no wisdom there. There's no understanding there. There's no biblical principles being articulated there.

There's no grasp of what the situation really is. And so you turn away disappointed. And that's where Job is at in relationship to Eliphaz.

It's like, I thought you were going to help me out here. And instead, not only is there nothing here, there's a gross injustice being perpetrated here, and I'm not going to buy into that. Kevin, great comment.

Thank you for that. All right, any other comments? Please come down.

Quick follow-up. A quick follow-up, right. Well, and thank you for pointing to that, Max, because that's exactly right.

The next principle that he looks at here is, you know, he lets Alafat know, "You have failed as a friend," and he spells it out. you know very clearly and emphatically but yeah let us consider that and again as I think it was Roger talked about yesterday the importance of humility when counseling someone especially suffering it's It's so easy for us to tend to be presumptive or jump to conclusions, but we should always approach it with humility. And he calls out Alafat, as you said, and you have failed me as a friend.

Job chapter 6, verse 24. He says, teach me and I will hold my tongue and cause me to understand wherein I have erred. Job's happy to be told what the problem is.

Verse 25, how forcible are right words, but what does your arguing prove? verse 28 now therefore be content look upon me what is evident to you if I lie joked declaring what the truth is about his situation verse 29 return I pray you that is come back with a different answer let it not be that I've sinned let it not be iniquity a return again with my righteousness in your answer. And so he's saying, look, you're coming and you're accusing me of sin I never committed, and saying that's the cause of my troubles.

You are not helping here. Let's Let's pursue another angle. Provide me with a different answer that doesn't accuse me of gross hypocritical hidden sin.

Let's come up with another explanation." And that's what he challenges Eliphaz to do. Unfortunately, he doesn't rise to that challenge. And as we see this series of discussions going on, we see they just kind of keep going back and turning up the heat and getting even more brazen in their original line of reasoning, which is that there's got to be something Job's hiding here.

All right, other comments on this passage? Please come down to the call sign. That's a WB7 visa, though.

roger please go ahead well i i could wish that i had more experience in talking about these emotional states i feel very much in this passage very much like the dry rivers and i i could wish that i had more water for those that I interact with. And of course, I guess the most I have to offer is to go to the Word of God and to pray, but in and above myself. I know that oftentimes I run out of things.

But I guess that's where, as Kevin says, humility is very significant. And sometimes just to be quiet and listen is the best thing I can do. Roger, that is so well said.

Thank you for that. You know, there's nothing wrong with not having answers. You know, and if you don't have an answer, you know, you don't need to pretend like you do.

And it's okay when people say, you know, why this, why that? It's perfectly okay to say, I don't know. I can't answer that question.

What I do know, and what I can talk about, is the character of the God who is allowing in his providence these things to happen to you. And so, Roger, I seldom am able to supply a specific reason as to why something is happening. But I can talk about who...

and have it more abundantly. And, you know, I was preaching yesterday at church on John chapter 11 and how that Mary and Martha sent a message to Jesus and said, Hey, Lazarus, the one you love, is sick. and come and heal him and so for two days Jesus does nothing and he gets sicker and sicker and then he dies and four days later Jesus shows up after he's been dead in the tomb for four days and you know they're their statement was, Lord, if only you had been here, our brother had not died.

And Jesus had something better in mind for them. Not a healing, but a resurrection. And so oftentimes disasters happen to us and God lets them happen and he lets them go on until they become impossible for any human resolution to fix, any human efforts to fix.

And then he does something extraordinary. Well, you know, Martha and Mary needed to understand that the person who was managing their providential circumstances loved them. And even though they didn't know why he was delaying.

They did understand who he was and how much he loved. And that's why when they wrote him, they said, he who now loveth is sick. So I think one of the things we have to understand, Roger, is that I don't know why this is happening, but I know who's managing it.

And we can have confidence that that person is, means well towards us, and that the plans he has for us are not plans of evil, they're plans of good to give us that outcome that he has promised to us. All right, WB7MEX here. Any further comments, please come now.

How's that, Asa? ZXM, before I allow you to speak, the net would like to acknowledge John W0, let's see, I think it's H, no, yeah, Whiskey Zero Romeo Hotel Hotel. Whiskey 00 Romeo Hotel Hotel.

I wrote it down here wrong, John. I apologize for that. John is in Cambridge, Minnesota.

John is one of the net controls for the Midwest Bible Study. And, John, we really appreciate you being here and listening in. So that's W0HRR.

No, RHH. John, don't hate me. I love you.

I just can't get my brain wrapped around your call sign. W0RHH. Got it?

W0RHH. Good, John. Thanks for being here.

All right, Kevin, go ahead after that craziness on my part. Oh, no problem. And John, welcome.

It's good to have you aboard here. KB7 ZXN, you know, and what you looked at there, verse 24 and all, you know, we see John really confronting. I'll fat in that, you know, hey, put up or shut up.

If you've got something, don't just tell me that, you know, that I'm in error. You put it out there. Show me.

But I'm going to step back here to, you know, verses 4 through 7 a minute here because, you know, as Job begins to speak here, he's not... per se looking for sympathy, but really proportionality, I think, here, and the balance of his suffering. And then he goes on probably to one of maybe the more controversial elements of what he says here.

In verses 4 to 7, he really is speaking to the divine source of, He's saying, hey, now I wouldn't be suffering if not for the hand of God allowing it. You know, he talks about the arrows. And he's really saying, look, God somehow is behind my suffering.

But it's not because I have said whatever God, you know, for whatever reason, God is allowing this. But he's really, and rightfully so, pointing to that, hey, this would not be taking place if not for God. God's allowing it.

God is behind this, but yet it's not according to what you have declared alifat. If you've got something that's put out there that you see that I've done wrong, then like I said, put up or shut up, but back off. That's not being a friend.

So to the point here, we don't know what to say. It's so true sometimes, because we don't understand. Even, you know, Job is trying to grasp for understanding.

Eliphaz has grasped for understanding, though jumped to the wrong conclusions. uh But one thing that Job does know is that somehow God is behind this, though he doesn't understand it. He's not going to accept false accusation being false to cause it.

KB7 is not accepting it. Yeah, Kevin well said. You know, Joe here is expressing a strong desire to understand his condition and to grasp the truth regarding it.

And he listens carefully to his friends, but he knows full well that they do not have or possess the truth regarding him. And, you know, it's important for us to understand that there are a lot of perspectives from which any situation can be viewed and analyzed and understood. And wisdom is that which understands those various perspectives, explores each one.

and then settles on the one that seems to fit the best, if he can settle on one at all. And so good comment, Kevin. Thank you for that.

I did get a text message from Keith, K7NEB. Keith says this. He says, when my wife was in labor delivering our first child and going through the pain of the final pushes for delivery, she focused on one thought and one thing visually in the rooms, are working this together for my good and for their glory and for the sake of being able to serve better in His kingdom and worship at a deeper level.

And so you're right, we have to keep our focus on that one thing, Keith, and that's on our God and on our future. When we think about God, we think about Heaven, we keep our focus there. That helps us to get through our present difficulties.

So Keith, thanks for the story about your wife and how she focused on one thing to get through the pain and how we need to focus on one thing to get through our pain, and that thing is God and set your affections on things above. and not on things of the earth. - All right, great comment, Keith.

Any other comments, please come down. - Yeah, we'll give you a sound raise now. - Roger, please go ahead.

- Yeah, thank you, Keith. I marked that on my Bible. That is one of the bright spots and otherwise a very despairing monopore, especially the one to follow, considering the dry places when I think of where Job lived and water, how critical it was.

We're so used to water coming out of our spigots and how vulnerable we are, especially in traveling, and to be totally incensed and then the disappointment that the water you were expecting is not there oh I guess that's a motivation for me to not leave this house without being filled with the water of life and that's such a metaphor that's frightening you know it's such a disappointment that of having no water and that could be people disappointed in me so anyway so thank you for that vivid chapter 6 wb7 visa yeah roger for sure yeah jope says in verse 10 then should i have comfort uh we're gonna have comfort when we die and that's what he opens with right here um he um He talks about the fact that I wish I were dead. Verse 8, "Oh, that I might have my request, and that God would grant me the thing I long for." Verse 9, "Even that it would please God to destroy me, that He would let loose His hand and cut me off, then I should have comfort." And the idea there is that once I die, all my problems will be solved. And you know, that's one reason why people commit suicide, is they think, "Oh, if I just die, then the pain will go away." Well, the problem with that kind of thinking is that pain is only going to go away if you're redeemed.

And if you're redeemed, you're not going to be committing suicide, because your life was given to you by God. It can only be taken by God, and it's not yours. to decide either when it started or when it ends.

And so Job is longing that God would do what God could do, which is take his life into suffering and deliver him into that place of comfort, which is heaven. Well, God is determined to allow us to remain in a difficult situation rather than immediately transport us into the comfort of heaven. because he has things for us to learn, and he has purposes to accomplish, and a lot of those are accomplished through suffering, and we just have to humble ourselves before that.

So anyway, there's a lot here. I just want to encourage everyone, as Kevin said, This is not easy reading. Don't let yourself get overwhelmed.

What we have here is long, extended discourses around a single idea. You might have ten verses where they, with a lot of word pictures and a lot of various statements, really they're talking about one thing. And so, for example, in verses 1 through 10 here, he's talking about, you know, my life is so miserable, I wish I were dead.

And then he talks about the fact that your counsel doesn't have any substance or value to it. It's like a dry creek. And then he says in the last part of Chapter 6, come back and give me another answer, but the answer can't be...

that this is happening because I've got some wicked hypocritical hidden sin in my life because I don't. And so those three ideas are what comprise all of chapter 6. So as you read Job, just keep reading and just try to say, okay, what's the central idea behind all this language here?

and you'll get the idea and then it'll help you with your understanding. All right, we are out of time. It's time for us to go to prayer.

Are there any final prayer requests before Al leads us in prayer? Please come down with your request. Just a question.

Question, go ahead. Yeah, we're going to chew on Chapter 7 tomorrow. You know, probably not.

Do you have some things you want to say about Chapter 7, over? Well, I mean, it gives us a chance to know and we can read and then if you wanted to move to 8. But I think we, you know, we didn't talk about Chapter 7.

Yeah, not much. I think we could probably do 7 and 8 together again. So yeah, Roger, we'll do that.

Sure, you bet. Yeah, look over Chapter 7 and we'll talk about that and the arguments that are there. And then of course in Chapter 8 we have the answer of Bildad the Shuhite and then Job answers again in Chapter 9.

So I think we can do 7 and 8 tomorrow, Alright, any other comments or prayer requests, please come down. ZXN, prayer request. Was there a comment there?

Please try again. Kevin has a prayer request. Copy that.

Kevin, go ahead. Yeah, Max, my wife just came in. My daughter, our daughter, in the UK, early, early this morning through the night, she had experienced chest pains and difficulty breathing, and she's in the hospital right now.

The doctor is trying to figure out what's going on. appreciate prayers for her for answers and and and recovery there from whatever has beset her there tb7 that example copy that can you spell her name for us M-O-N Montana Oscar November Tango Alpha November Romeo Alpha Yankee Oscar M-O-N-T-A-N-R-A-Y-O Thank you for that. Copy that.

Keep going. Alright, thank you for that. Thank you Kevin for that prayer request.

Alright, any other prayer requests, please come now. All right, Al, KJ7QQH, please close and pair up for us. Thank you, Matthew, Mac.

KJ7QQH, let's put together a new prayer. Let me bother you. Thank you for this lesson today and for all days.

For He provided us to be in your words, to be in your presence. through this blessed statement. We learned that we can seek counsel, but we also want to seek the proper answers that are correct and that we're not always being denied.

We also want to pray for those around us that are in need of your human hand and hopefully your guidance and protection. I'm going to turn our break to TV.