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W7RKD checking in for my daily bread. Alright there's Bird, W7RKD checking in for his daily bread. Bird, good morning, how you doing? Doing alright Max. The propagation seems to be holding up even though we're experiencing a minimum storm so... It sure is a blessing to be able to hear the rest. And hope you all have a blessed day. No prayer request. W7RKD, back in there. All right, real good. Yep, it is a little noisy, but I did hear you direct on my radio. I also was able to pick you up even better on the Utah SDR. And so, anyway, real good. We got you checked in there. Burt, W7RKD, no prayer request. All right, other check-ins coming up. KJ7UMW here. Alright there's Glenn, KJ7UMW, it's Kamakamee, Washington. Good morning Glenn, how are you guys doing? Oh, not too bad. This last 24 hours with pain, it just absolutely got me down. But I come to find out that I had forgotten to take the afternoon and evening medicine. And the reason, that's the reason why I was hurting so bad. So I'm hoping, hoping, hopefully, right, they'll get through this morning and I think they'll be able to take it normal now. And see if the rest of us can have a good old time. 2J7, that's the UMW here, switching the wall to the wind, and following too. and make them more and more important every second day. Take care, guys. All right, real good. Glenn, KJ7UMW, glad you got your medication squared away and figured out. And, yeah, it becomes increasingly important as we get more forgetful to get that stuff lined out. Kathy has a whole series of vitamins she gives us, and they're all in these little boxes, and there's one for Monday morning and Monday night and Tuesday morning and Tuesday night and Wednesday morning, Wednesday night, et cetera, all through the week. At the start of the week, you know, she goes through and she lines all that stuff out and gets them all in there, and then all we've got to do is open the lid and eat, and we don't have to figure it out every day. That works out real well for us. Glenn, KJ7UMW, thank you for being there and we'll chat with you soon. All right, any other check-ins, please come now. All right, we had a double there and I heard Roger, WB7BCL, get to the other station in a second. Roger, go ahead. Yes, thank you for the prayers. Daleen has a plan of, I think, 16 radiation treatments. So that's forthcoming. So again, thank you for your prayers. All right, real good. So Daylene has a plan of treatment to follow up on her breast cancer surgery, 16 radiation treatments. Yeah, Kathy went through a bunch of those, so I know what's ahead of her. Just be sure she gets plenty of sleep if at all possible there, Roger. It's really important for the healing. Okay, there was another station on top of Roger that was trying to check in. I think it might have been WKM 5F. Will, go ahead. KM 5F, just checking in. No new prior requests. All right, copy that, Will. WKM 5F, check in with you. Come now. There was a double right through at the end of that there. Okay, other station trying to check in. Please come now. I think it was just the... KM5S. KM5S, go ahead. Yeah, I was just trying to check in. I thought I did, but KM5S knows super quickly. Yeah, you did check in, Will. No worries. I think you were in there first with Roger and then we got you, so that's all good. Okay, any other check-ins? Come now. KJ7, PWM. Okay, I heard Brian. KJ7, PWM way down there in the noise. Brian, good morning. How are you doing? We're in Gusha 20. We're going to be heading to town for interesting Bible studies, so we'll be listening. Copy. Doing good. Going to town. Going to be listening. So Brian, we got you checked in. Thank you for being there. Okay, any other check-ins, please come now. All right, so let's see. I'm going to just run through my SDRs here for a second. That N7NPA fellow still hasn't checked in yet. I see him lurking there on the Utah SDR, but he won't push the mic button. I don't know what's going on with that guy. Well, I guess he's not going to bite at my lure. Okay, well, I'm going to check in Scott in 7NPA just by virtue of his call sign on the Utah SDR, and maybe he'll pipe up here in a little bit. All right, to WB7MX here. with the West Coast Bible Study, and we are getting ready to get started with our Bible study. And let's see, we are in Galatians chapter 1, verses 6 through 12. That's Galatians 1, 6 through 12. And Jerry, AE70R, I'm going to ask you to read in a minute, so if you could get ready for that. That's Galatians chapter 1, verses 6 to 12. And anyway, in this section, having provided an introduction... of who he was and what his authority was, an apostle, and giving his greetings to the churches at Galatia, grace and peace to them. He focused in on the central subject of the entire letter, and that is the substitutionary saving atonement of Jesus Christ, verse 4. Verse 4. He gave himself for our sins that he might deliver us from this present evil world according to the will of God and our Father, to whom be glory forever. And so what we saw there is the substitutionary atonement that Jesus died for our sins. of the benefits of that subsidiary atonement, is that we're not going to have to live in this fallen, depraved, sinful world forever. He's going to create a new heavens and a new earth into which we will be delivered and in which we will live forever. And that's God's will. And so when we see the blessings of the gospel, deliverance from sin, deliverance out of a fallen, sin-cursed world, into a world where we are perfectly righteous and where in that new earth, therein dwelleth righteousness, as it says in 2 Peter chapter 3. That just moves us to worship. And the last time we concluded with Him, the glory forever and ever. And so salvation, an understanding of salvation, moves us to worship. All right, well, the problem at Galatia is that this wonderful gospel that he describes in verses 4 and 5 is under attack by false teachers. And there's various stripes and varieties of those false preachers. There were the legalists. These are the Judaizers Kevin talked about yesterday. And they want us to think that we're saved by our good works. Maybe we've got to get circumcised first, like they talked about in Acts chapter 15. Or maybe we've got to keep this ritual or that law. And then we'll be right before God. And then there's the libertines that say, oh, yeah, you're saved by grace. You can live any way you want. You can live just like the world because, after all, salvation is by grace. So those two parties are both equally wrong. And so Paul starts out with a stinging denunciation of these false teachers. And we're going to talk about that today. What does our response need to be? as the people of God, when we hear false gospels being preached, what should we do? Well, Paul gives us some guidance here. All right, but before we get started, we want to open our time together in prayer. And so, Beck Alfalfa 5 Yankee, could you please open in prayer for us today? Yes, sir, I'd be honored. Thank you. Let us bow our heads. Dear God, thank you so much for letting us all see another day. We appreciate being able to get together and do the Bible study. We're so glad that Pastor Max is back. And we appreciate so much that Scotty takes over, does an excellent job while he's gone. We appreciate all the people that contribute. And to your word, it's giving us different sides of things. to understand the scripture in different ways and pick out little pieces of jewels and gold that are in there that are seen by different people in different ways. We pray that we carry what we hear today through the day and to the end of our lives when we go to meet you in heaven. This we pray in Jesus' holy name, amen. Amen, Beck. Thank you so much for that prayer. May God be pleased to grant each of those requests. All right, Jerry, AE70R, if you could read for us, please. Galatians chapter 1, verses 6 through 12. I'm amazed that you are so thickly deserting him. who called you by the grace of Christ for different gospels, which is really not another, only there are some, for disturbing you who want to distort the gospels of Christ. That even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel, contrary to what we have been preached to you, he is a curse. Then we have said before, so I say again now, If any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you have received, he is to be accursed. For I am now seeking the favor of man, or of God, I'm striving to please men. If I were striving to please men, I would not be a bondservant of Christ. So I would have known, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For either I receive it from man, Nor was I taught it. But I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ. Thank you, chapter, or verse 18 of the cross. Come on, Jerry. Thank you, verse 13, 8, 8, 7, and the hour. All right, Jerry, real good. Great reading. Thank you for that. Be able to hear you real well. So good reading there, Jerry. All right. Any comments on this section, please come down to your call sign. KK7 PDI. David, KK7 PDI, please go ahead. Well, this is such a warning that is given from Paul here, because, again, when the Bible repeats itself, it's important for us to pay heed, give our attention totally to what he's saying. And what he says here is, if anybody preaches a different gospel from what they have preached, let him be accursed. And then he says it again. He mentions this in verse 9 as well. As I said before, so I say again, if anyone preaches another gospel to you, then what you have received, let him be accursed. There is a lot of people out there today, different denominations, etc., that are teaching a gospel apart from what the Bible actually teaches. They'll add their own creeds. They'll add their own teaching that's according to man and not according to what the Bible actually says. Is that important? That we speak where the Bible speaks and we remain silent where the Bible is silent? And don't add to it because we get the warning in Revelation 22, verses 18 and 19. If anyone adds to... or takes away from the word that is written there, they add the plagues that are written in this book. I gave an example the other day when you were on your trip, and I talked about how we mess up in the little things. If we mess up in the little things, we're bound to mess up in the major things. And so what I gave an example of was the three wise men, which is what the Bible or what people reference the Bible says when it doesn't say that, in Matthew 2, verses 1 through 11. And where they come up with the three wise men is gold, frankincense, and myrrh. But the actual teaching says wise men came, and they were called the Magi. And so that could have been two. We know there were wise men. But what the world teaches is that there were three wise men. It could have been four. It could have been five. It could have been six. But the Bible doesn't say. But yet people will say three because of the gift. And that's inappropriate to do. We want to speak where the Bible speaks. and remain silent where it is silent. Anything other than that is very dangerous for anyone to teach other than what the Bible says. Key with you, Old Seven, Papa Delta, India, back to you, Max. Yeah, David, really well said, and good illustration. You know, we need to pay attention to the details. The words are there for a reason, and words are omitted for a reason. And, you know, God was just as wise in what he left unsaid as he was in what he left said. And you know, it kind of reminds me there, David, of Revelation chapter 10, where the seven thunders uttered their voices, and John was about to write, and the angel says, don't write down what they said. So we don't know what they said. And so there's a clear example of where God forbade something to be put into the Word of God that was true and valid, but he didn't want it there. And it reminds me of that passage in Deuteronomy 29, 29, where it says, the secret things belong to the Lord our God. But the things which are revealed belong to us and to our children forever that we may do all the words of this law. And so one of the secret things is exactly how many wise men were there. And, you know, it really doesn't matter, you know, if there were three or if there were five. We know, as you well said, there's pearls. We know they brought gifts. And that's sufficient for the lesson that God wants us to have. So the principle there, David, that you are articulating so well, is that we need to preach all of the gospel, but only the gospel. That is, all that is in the Word of God, but only what is in the Word of God. Because it's sufficient. And, you know, the problem, David, is that a lot of people don't pay attention to what is in the Word of God, and then they wind up making wild speculations about what is not in the Word of God. And so I appreciate that emphasis, because it says in Matthew 4 and verse 4, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. So we need to learn every word. and recognize that's where the authority is, that's where the message is. There's more than sufficient data there for everything we need for life and godliness. And anything that's not in the scriptures, we can just say, I don't know. And that's a perfectly fine answer. God doesn't intend for us to know because he didn't reveal it to us. All right, great comment there about the sufficiency of scriptures and the fact that we say all they say but no more than what they say. All right, any other comments, please come down. All right, the net would like to acknowledge Dave, KE7WKI. Dave, saw you show up there on the Utah SDR, and also JR, K6LVP, is there as well. So got both of you guys checked in. Okay, any other check-ins? Please come down. BKE? There's BKE. Well, I've been throwing my fishing line into your hole several times, and you didn't bite the bait, but we finally caught you, reeled you in, and we got you in the fishing creel there, Jim. How you doing? Real good. I just picked my stuff up. Couple eggs, nice browns, some coffee, and set the kitty, and I was all back in here in time to say hi at least to everybody, and everything's going well in my house. All right, real good, Jim. So glad to hear your voice and things are going well, and the kitty is purring, and you're all cleaned up and ready for another day. All right, that is Jim, N7DKE. All right, any other comments on our passage today? Please come down to your conference. KOMXF. KOMXF. Will, go ahead. Yeah, in the area where I live, they get their scriptures and stuff from a salamander and a pile of gold. And in verse 12, Paul got his revelation directly from Jesus Christ, just as the rest of the apostles came from this. Yeah, well said. Well, you know, the Bible contains a great deal of information about how divine revelation is communicated from God to man. And, you know, there's certain ways in which it is, and there's certain ways in which it's not. And reading Golden Plates is not one of those ways. So, Will, thank you for that. If someone's going to claim to receive divine revelation from God, then, you know, there's some tests that we put that divine revelation to in order to figure out if it's really from God or not. And so, yeah, the Mormon religion is filled with false revelations. derived from very bizarre methods, fancy spectacles and golden plates, neither of which can be found or somehow have been disappeared by a man who was very immoral and wicked. So anyway, and of course doctrine is completely contrary to the scriptures. clearly not of God. So, Will, thank you for pointing that out. So we have to look at where is this gospel coming from and who is the person conveying it and how do they claim to have gotten it? And if it's not within the categories of what we see of the rest of the scriptures, then it is highly, highly suspect. All right, Will, good comment. Other comments, come now. Is that Xen? Kevin, KB7 is that Xen? Go ahead. Just very good comments, excellent comments. Again, as we talked about so many good points yesterday, it's just important to have the right foundation. I would, you know, if you want to make notes in your Bible, I'd certainly circle verse 4, maybe verses 4 and 5 there. Because, you know, one of the principles here that we see, well, Just back up real quick. You know, this is along Paul's first missionary journey, as you read back in Acts chapter 13, when he and Bartlebyst and they went up to these areas of Galatian planet, these churches. And it seems, you know, God really blessed... Paul's efforts and as we know, his kind of focus, his mission, if you will, was to minister to the Gentiles. And I'm sure that the Jews in Jerusalem probably had no problem with that. They were kind of focused on their own people group, if you will. But, um... with that they still had a hard time understanding or really accepting the fact that Jesus was enough. That in Christ alone, by grace alone, through faith alone, we have freedom. You know, the book of Galatians is kind of like the Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation for Christians. We are free in Christ. And one of the things as we look here now, and especially as we start coming into verses 6 and 7 and going forward here, one of the principles I think it's important to grab a hold of is that it is as dangerous to pervert the gospel as it is to reject the gospel. If we don't have the right gospel and embrace the good news, the good news is that it is Christ alone in him and the work that he has done. It's not... works, it's not grace plus our works. It's not grace plus our giving. It's not grace plus our prayers. It's not grace plus anything. It's Christ alone that did the finishing work, that paid the penalty of our sin that we might have eternal life. through him that we are rescued from the fate of eternal separation from God, the death, the second death, if you will. So one of the first things as we come into here, as he marvels that you are so soon removed, that others would come in and try to dilute and pollute the gospel. Keep in mind, it is as dangerous to change the gospel as it is to reject it. So let's make sure we have the right gospel, KB7, is that acceptable? Yeah, Kevin, really well said. And, you know, you're right. People either add to the gospel or they detract from it. And so some people take away the need for repentance. And they say, oh, you just need to believe. There's no need to repent. Well, repentance is of the essence of the gospel. Believing in Jesus Christ alone for salvation for our sins is of the essence of the gospel. So we need to have all of the elements of the gospel there, but only the elements of the gospel. So the point is that perverting the gospel can be done by adding to the gospel, as Kevin said, or by taking away from the gospel. So we need to define what the gospel is. And the gospel is a message about six things. You might want to write these down. The gospel is a message about six things. First, it's a message about God. God created us. God gave us a set of laws to live by. We are under his authority. And then secondly, it's a message about sin. We rebelled against the God who created us. We broke his laws. And there are consequences to that. The wages of sin is death. And the result of death is spending eternity in hell. And then thirdly, it's a message about Jesus Christ. his person who is this person we're believing in right well he's both god and man he's god from eternity past and then in time he took to himself a human nature and a human body through the virgin birth and he walked among us and lived among us so that's his person he was sinless he was perfect he was divine fully divine and fully human and then fourthly it's the message about his work What did this person do who became this God-man? Well, he died a substitutionary death on the cross, right? He lived a sinless life. He died a substitutionary death for the sins of the world, and he provided an atonement so that God could be just and the justifier of him who believes in Jesus. And that's, of course, the fifth point of this gospel, and that is it's a message about repentance. Repentance is that the New Testament is saturated with statements about that we need to repent. That is, we need to acknowledge, I've broken God's laws. And I need to take ownership of my sin and recognize the evil that it is, it's a rebellion against God, and I need to say to myself, I don't want sin anymore, I don't want to live in sin, I don't want to walk in sin, and I need to be saved from the consequences of my sin. And so that's the fifth element is repentance. And then the sixth element is faith, faith in Jesus Christ alone, as Kevin said, for the forgiveness of my sins. And so we have, it's a message about God. It's a message about sin. It's a message about the person of Christ. It's a message about the work of Christ. It's a message about repentance, and it's a message about sin. Now, you can't throw out any one of those elements and still have the gospel. And so it is important for us, when we are sharing the gospel with people, that they understand who God even is that we're talking about here, who Jesus Christ is, what he did, what his law is, what sin is. and what the consequences of sin are, and then how to be saved from it, through repentance and faith. So it's important that we have all of the Gospel, but only the Gospel. And in order for other people to believe in the right God, to recognize the true Savior, the God-man, to recognize the basis of salvation, His substitutionary atonement, and then to recognize what I'm responsible for, and that's repentance and faith. So anyway, Kevin, thank you for bringing out the fact that we can't add to the gospel, we can't detract from the gospel, and if we do, then we are preaching a false gospel, we're leading people to hell instead of heaven, and we are accursed, and we are also cursing those that we preach the false gospel to. So this is a matter of incredibly important moments, and it's important for us to be clear about what our message is. All right, other comments? Please come down. Uh, Bob Allen? Bob Allen was a guy. Mark's been trying to get in there, KJ7PVT. Alright, thank you Scott, we got you checked in, thank you for being there. And Mark, KJ7PVT, we'll try to hear you, go ahead brother. Scott, I'm hearing nothing from Mark, KJ7PVT, can you hear him? Not now, but he was just trying to get in there earlier. Okay, thank you for that. I did get him checked in, we did hear his voice very faintly earlier, but couldn't make out his words. Mark, KJ7PVT, let's give you another chance, please come ahead. Yeah, go ahead Mark. Mark, excellent comment. I got that on the... Mark was saying that in that list of six items that I gave when I was talking about the work of Christ dying on the cross, I failed to mention the resurrection. He's right. I did fail to mention it, okay? Certainly, I believe that that's included, and that is essential because it shows that he actually did provide atonement for our sins and that death was defeated. Mark, thank you for correcting me on that and clarifying that. Really appreciate that, brother. Okay, other comments, please come now. No, thank you. Okay, I'm glad to hear it. PDI, David, go ahead. Yeah, I just wanted to follow up one more. When people ask me, and this is really important, when people come with questions about what the Scriptures say, I cannot offer them actually what I think. Because what I think really doesn't matter. What really matters is what Jesus says, what the Word of God says, and let it be the teacher. Case in point, let me give you another example. I had someone ask me many times, "How do I become safe? How do I become in a safe condition?" Well, I can give them all kinds of different things on what I think, but that's not what's important. So I take them to what actually Jesus said. So, case in point, I had them read the Scripture and let Jesus speak to them rather than me. I said, "Go ahead and read in Mark 16th chapter, and read verses 15 and 16." And what does it say? So they read the passage real quick, and said, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is baptized will be saved." So when are you in a safe condition? He said, "When you believe." I said, "No, you are not. Read it again." Read verse 16 very slowly. So he did. "He who believes," and then here's the contingency, "and is baptized will be saved." So when does the saving actually come? Unless you slow down and read the Scriptures the way that the Scriptures says, you err. And that is what he's saying very clearly. And once he read it, he said, "Wow, nobody's ever talked that out to me." They just say, "Believe in your heart and you're good to go." Well, that's not what the Bible teaches. He was sent on the prophet of the Indians. Back to you, Max. Yeah, David, I would absolutely deny that baptism is essential to salvation. I would say that baptism is inseparably connected with salvation, but baptism is not essential to salvation. Because if you go ahead and read the rest of the verse, it says, in verse 16, he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned. So believing is the difference between being damned and being saved. Baptism is a public profession of faith in Jesus Christ. It is not an instrumental means of salvation. And the fact that it is not of the essence of the gospel is stated very clearly in 1 Corinthians 1, when Paul says, In verse 17, "Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." So Paul makes a clear distinction between the gospel and baptism, and he says baptism is not of the essence of the gospel. in terms of salvation. And so it's believing or not believing that makes the difference between being saved or being damned, as it says there in the Gospel of Mark. Baptism, of course, is a duty that every Christian has to engage in when they become saved, because Baptism is that first act of public profession of faith in Jesus Christ. And Jesus says, "If you confess me before men, I'll confess you before my Father which is in heaven. If you deny me before men, I will deny you before my Father which is in heaven." And so the purpose of baptism is for people to recognize they can't be closet Christians. They can't believe, but for fear of the Pharisees, be afraid to confess him before men, lest they be put out of the synagogue. So I think it's real important to make that distinction that baptism is not of the essence of the gospel. It is the first step of obedience to the gospel. Back to you there, David. Yeah, well, that's where I would agree to disagree, Max. And that's just sort of my study. And you read the Greek, and you read the Septuagint, and you read all the scriptures concerning baptism, was essential for salvation. I believe, and because I believe, I follow up, yes, with baptism, but I'm really not in that same condition. You don't get the first 3,000 souls. They believed and they were all baptized on that day, over 3,000 souls, and then they were in Christ. So that's, you know, that's the nature of salvation. That's why I said earlier, if we air in the simple things, the little things, and I gave another example in Isaiah 11 and verse 6, and if I was to ask the question right now to everybody here, who will lay down with the Lamb in the Bible? What does the Bible say? Who will lay down with the Lamb? And 90% of the people would say, "The lion will lay down with the lamb." But Hebrews 11, or Isaiah 11 in verse 6 says that the wolf will lay down with the lamb. I think we err in those words, and we have to read it and study it, understand the Hebrew and the Greek, to understand what is being said there. So I would agree as to disagree. Stephen, keep them in, proper Delta India. Back to you, Max. Yeah, David, I understand you agree to disagree. We are preaching two separate Gospels, two different Gospels, one Gospel that says, you have to add a human work to Christ's saving work. The baptism, which is a human work, is necessary to be added to Christ's work of atonement. And His work, plus our baptism, saves us. And that's the fault of the Gospel. That's the Gospel of the Church of Christ. That's Campbellitism. And, you know, I think it's real important that, you know, our text here is saying, "If someone preaches another Gospel, let him be accursed." And so it is the collective consensus of Christian orthodoxy through the last 2,000 years, that baptism is not of the essence of salvation. It is the first act of obedience to salvation. When you look at the thief on the cross, Jesus said to him, today you will be with me in paradise. And he was not baptized, and yet he went to heaven. And so baptism, of course, is part of the Great Commission. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and teaching them to observe all things I have commanded you. I'm not downplaying The fact that baptism is important. It is the first step of obedience. But Paul very clearly says, Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel. And so if Paul didn't see baptism as being of the essence of the gospel and wasn't part of gospel preaching, then I don't think we can see that as part of it either. And I know that there are those who hold different opinions, but I'm going to come down squarely on the side that faith plus baptism is a false gospel. It's faith alone in Jesus Christ that saves. So, David, you've been very clear. Thank you for that. I think I've been very clear, and I think it's important for us all to understand the clear distinction between what David is saying and I am saying as to what the essence of the gospel is. And I would deny that baptism is of the essence of the gospel. Alright, does someone else have a comment? Please come down to your call center. Fox Trot. Okay, KL5S, go ahead, Will. Yeah, I'll put my two cents in there and my view. The people on the cross, he essentially had a relationship with Christ. He immersed himself in that relationship. The word "baptism," if you look at the etymology of it, it means "immersion." not necessarily immersed in water, but being immersed in a loving relationship in Christ. Here a few weeks ago we were talking about the baptism, the first baptism, which was with Moses when people went through the Red Sea. They didn't get wet, but they did have a loving relationship with God. Can you clarify that? Yeah, well, interesting illustration there of Moses leading the children into the Red Sea. It says in 1 Corinthians 10 they were all baptized into Moses. And he was talking to them about their immersion, if you will, in the Red Sea. Now, you're right. They didn't get any water on them, but it says they went down under the water, and the water was a wall to them on the right and on the left, and then they came up out into the other side. But the question is, is when was Israel saved? They were saved when Pharaoh finally let them go. And so they were delivered out from the dominion of Pharaoh, who represents Satan. Moses, who pictures Christ, defeated him through the ten miracles, and especially through what? The Passover, which represented Jesus Christ. And so they were saved by faith in Jesus, putting the blood on their doorposts and on the lentil above, and they stayed inside covered by the blood while the death angel went through and took out all the firstborn. And then Pharaoh recognized he was defeated, and he yielded up his prey. And so that's when they were saved. And then after they were saved by faith in the blood of the Passover lamb, then after that, and a significant amount of time after that, they were baptized in the Red Sea. And then they went on with their walk. So the parallels are quite compelling. Saved by the blood of the lamb, and then of course going through the Red Sea as a picture of baptism. Will, great comment there, thank you. Does anyone else have a comment? Please come down to the call center. ZXN, follow up. Okay, Kevin, KB7ZXN, go ahead and then we'll have PDI follow up. Well, KB7ZXN, well this is very interesting. I didn't expect things to go this direction. You know, I was going to initially That makes the point that, you know, in, um, that the Judaizers that came in here, they did not deny the gospel, but they did try to change the gospel and add to the gospel. And, you know, there's a couple of different ways that generally we kind of, uh, the gospel is perverted and you made the one point of detraction and that can happen three different ways. You know, we can say, well, you know, Jesus was a good teacher. He, uh, You know, he taught a lot of good moral things and good practices, but he certainly wasn't the son of God. And then some might say, well, you know, Jesus, I'm sure resurrected, was resurrected, but that was just spiritually, not physically resurrected. And or we might say, well, you know, the Bible is a good book. It's true, but it's not all true. Well, that's all detracting from the gospel. And then, of course, the adding on to. You know, men, as mankind, we have this kind of insatiable desire to have rules to follow because rules allow us to mark things off, to be able to track, to be able to check the boxes, if you will. Okay, I've got that covered. I've got that covered. I'm good. Well, you know, the gospel plus any works. It's not gospel plus giving. It's not gospel plus giving. plus church membership. It's not gospel plus baptism. Or any works at all. If any works were required at all, then there would be some, first of all, that would not be able to receive the gift of salvation, even if the works was baptism, and the thief on the cross is a good example of that. If any works at all were required, there would be some left out, and some would not have the opportunity. But as you pointed out, baptism is important because it represents what's already taken place inside. That's why it is the first act of obedience. It is the doorway and the entrance to church membership. The Lord would have us be a part of a local church. And, of course, the other church ordinance we have besides baptism is the Lord's Supper. Both point to Christ. Both point to what Christ did in His death, burial, and resurrection. In baptism, it points to what are dying to ourselves and being born again and living in Christ. That's a representative memorial and public statement of what the transformation of the Holy Spirit did inside of us because of the atoning sacrifice of our Lord and Savior. Of course, the Lord's Supper is a memorial to remind us of that event, that we keep that foremost into our mind, our thoughts, and in our heart. So it's important. I spent several, a few years in my early 20s with the Campbellites. And I'll tell you, if anybody's interested, I've got an eight-part debate. with a Greek theologian who happens to be a Baptist and one of the leaders of the Campbellites there on discovertheword.net there. And it's a very interesting debate. I've heard all those arguments. I used to know them by heart. But if you read the Greek, if you follow sound hermeneutics, there is no mistaking that it is in Christ alone, by God's grace alone, through faith alone. It is so important to keep that straight. KB7 is that example. Kevin, thank you for that. We 100% have that website at discovertheword.net. And on there you can find that debate between a Baptist and a Campbellite on whether baptism is of the essence of salvation or whether it is not. I have a text message comment here from Beck, Alpha Alpha 5 Yankee. Beck says, belief is the foundation, and baptism is an act of that belief. Completely agree with that, Beck. All right, David, KK7 PDI had a follow-up. David, the mic's yours. Thank you, Mac. Yeah, I just want to go back to the fact that you talked about the thief on the cross. And the thief on the cross, Jesus having the sovereign right and the authority, said, "This day you'll be with me in paradise." After the thief on the cross and after Jesus died and rose again, from that point on, every situation of anybody coming into Christ, baptism was essential for salvation. I mean, I just read it that way. So when you turn around and you say, and I say this, "When is your sins actually forgiven? When are they washed away?" Acts 22 and verse 16, "Why tarriest thou?" This was said to Saul of Tarsus who became the apostle Paul. "Why tarriest thou? Arise and be baptized, wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord." To me it can't be any clearer than that. David, appreciate you sharing those verses, and by first glance they might seem to teach that, but in fact, as Kevin said, when you look at all the data, it's very clear that these passages are designed to demonstrate a visible representation of a spiritual transaction. They don't cause the transaction. They illustrate the transaction. And so baptism is a symbol of union with the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Baptism is a symbol of cleansing from sin. Baptism is a symbol of regeneration with the death, burial, resurrection of Jesus. Baptism is a symbol of our union with the people of God. And so baptism is a symbol of discipleship. Go ye therefore and make disciples. Once they're disciples, then you baptize them. And so the order is very clear that it's repentance and faith and then baptism. So anyway, we're going to conclude this debate today. We are three minutes over time, and so we will stop right here. Appreciate everybody saying whatever they had to say. And David, I would encourage you to go to Kevin's website, discovertheword.net, and listen to that eight-part series on the debate between the the Baptist and the Campbellite, and see if perhaps you can gain some further understanding of a position that you seem to be rejecting. All right, WB7MAX here. We are ready to go to prayer. It's my turn to pray today, so I will be closing in prayer. Are there any final prayer requests before we... Go in prayer. Please come down to the call line. Alright, well let's go to prayer. Our kind and gracious Father, we thank you so much for the Word of God, and especially this section in Galatians that we are reading together. And Lord, I just pray that you would help us to preach the gospel that Paul preached and recognize what the essence of that gospel is and is not. And Lord, this is a serious moment because if we get the gospel wrong, we're accursed. And so, Lord, I pray that you would cause us to be very clear. about what the gospel is and isn't, and what role we play in that gospel in terms of our participating in the blessing of that gospel. I thank you that it's by grace we're saved from faith, and not of ourselves, it is a gift of God, and not of works, but any man should boast. Um, So Father, we just thank you that the works are not part of the gospel, and baptism is clearly a work of man. Father, I just pray today that you would be with Howie and that you would comfort him, AI6J. Lord, we've been praying a lot for his sister Karen, all through her leukemia treatment, all through her bone marrow transplant, and all through that for her salvation. And yet, Father, she died. We don't know what transactions may have taken place at the last minute that we know nothing about. But nevertheless, Lord, we just commend Howie and his family into your hands that you would bring comfort to them and that they would just trust you with the soul of their sister. And, Father, we pray the same for Pete, W6NOX, and the death of his aunt. Father, we just pray that Pete and his family... We just have the peace that passes all understanding. May it fill your heart and mind. May it fill their hearts and minds, Father, as they mourn the loss of their aunt, who is such a precious soul to them. Lord, the day of our death is coming for all of us. And Lord, I just ask that you would help us to be well prepared for that day, not only by believing in Christ alone for the forgiveness of our sins, but also by living for him and serving him and worshiping him. Lord, these are things we can do to bring glory to him for the saving work that he has done on our behalf. Father, I just pray today that... You would be with Jerry Al, KJ7QQH's wife, who has cataract surgery on April 1st. Father, I just pray that cataract surgery would go really well and that she would have good vision restored to her. Father, we thank you for the good report from Steve, W6YFI, regarding Leslie, his wife. So I went to another cardiologist who said she does not need surgical intervention, that she needs just air medication. So Father, I pray the medication would resolve the issues of the heart complication, that we would have peace in her physical heart as well as in the heart of her soul, and that Lord, she would be able to just go on with life and not have anxieties. Father, I just want to pray for our brother, Doc, W6RLJ, who's having trouble with the transmitter on his radio. And Lord, I pray that he would just be able to get that fixed, or his friends would be able to get it fixed, so that he would be able to get back on the air with us. And then, Lord, we pray for our dear sister, Darlene, Roger, WB7VCL's wife. 16 radiation treatments ahead of her. And Lord, I just pray that you would cause those to be efficacious, to eradicate and eliminate any remaining cancer cells or any future outbreak of that cancer. Lord, we just want to pray today for Steve W6YSI, his daughter Lisa Medina. her upper back and neck pain. Father, I just pray that if she works at the Crisis Pregnancy Center, that you give her skill and wisdom in turning girls away from abortion. And Father, may you be pleased to bring many babies into this world through Lisa's ministry. Father, may her upper back and neck pain not be a distraction to her as she does that work. Father. We just want to continue to pray for Keisha. We need the liver transplant. We also pray for Keisha's salvation. Pray that as Will has opportunity, he would be able to share the gospel with Keisha and see her brought to saving faith. Lord, we heard from our brother, Glenn, KJ7UMW, this morning. that the chronic pain that he has, and of course his wife has as well, Lord, we just pray that they would have medication that would dull and dampen and remove that pain. Whatever the source of it is, Father, may we be pleased to heal it. Lord, we just want to pray today for Ed in 6XOH, his niece Ruth. and her three children, Macy and Nika and McKay. They all have health issues, Father. I pray that you would look on these little children and that you would have mercy on them, that you would heal them, either through a divine intervention or through medical intervention, as you see fit. Father, I pray that Ruth would have wisdom and strength and caring for her children and their medical needs. Lord, thank you that Thomas is back in the military reserves receiving job training. He now has some income, which is great. And Lord, may the job training prepare him for a career that will be able to support his family in the future. And then the Lord, a brother, Elder Kim, 7, FIA, chronic back pain. Father, we all know what that is like. Some of us have been relieved of it. Some of us still have it. Lord, I just pray for mercy for Eldon and relief of his symptoms. Father, we want to pray with reference to JRW6LBP for his friend Gary, the W6GLB, who has stage 4 cancer and is receiving immunotherapy, thinking that he has shown signs of improvement. And Lord, we pray for Gary that he would be completely healed through this immunotherapy. Father, we just want to continue to pray for our brother Mike, W7TWO. Thank you for the good news. The doctors say that there's no sign in his blood of temporal arteritis, and it's just a matter of weaning him off of the prednisone slowly. And so, Father, I pray that this time when he gets off of us, that it would never resurge. Thank you, Father, for the good news that it is in remission. Father, we pray for my sister Barbara, Lord, that you would save her. And, Lord, we pray for Daryl, her son, to fully recover from heart surgery. Lord, I just thank you so much for your goodness, your mercy, and your grace to each one of us. and for the gift of your Son, Jesus Christ. Lord, be pleased to help us to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. And Lord, I pray that today we would walk with Jesus and draw near to Jesus and be more like Jesus, both in our understanding and also in our obedience. In Jesus' name I pray. Amen. All right, this is WB7NX, and I am returning this frequency to regular amateur youth. We meet here seven days a week at 6 a.m. in order to read the scriptures, understand their meaning, message, and application, and to pray for grace and mercy to live out what we learn, and for you to meet the needs of those in our circle of fellowship, for God to meet the needs of those in our circle of fellowship. And just want to thank all the stations you checked in and those who stood by to give us the clear operating frequency. All right. And this frequency is now open for general use at WB7NX on clear and standing by. 5U? 5U, go ahead, Doug. Why did the cow cross the road? So, "utter side" U-D-D-E-R side. Oh, the "utter side" okay, got it, got it, got it, yeah, yeah. Okay, that's a good one, yeah. So, mine went right along those lines, so anyway, at least I got reasonably close with the guess. Back to you. Yeah, Roger, no, you nailed it. Yeah, I kind of like your answer better. Alright, real good, got cut. Alright, anybody else want to talk? I'm here. Well, what is the best way to move cattle? You're in a cattle car? I'm moving then. Hey Max, who was it I missed who lost their aunt there this morning I was praying for? I thought it was Pete, but was it Pete or someone else? Max? Yeah, I'm here. I wasn't hearing Kevin and then I turned on the SDR and got his very loud statement. So let me go back to the SDR. Kevin, please try again. I'll be able to hear you now. Yeah, KB7 to X-N. I was just, I missed who it was that lost their hand. It was reported this morning and I wanted to pray for them and their family, but I wasn't sure if that was Pete or someone else. Yeah, real good. Good copy on the Utah SDR, Kevin. Yes, that was Pete to W680X. That's Whiskey 6 November, Oscar X-ray, 8-0-X there. Go ahead, Kevin. Well, thank you. And if you don't mind, I just want to take a moment, Lord. We just would ask for your comfort and peace to come upon Pete and his family and their time of loss of an aunt, Lord, and also Howie and the loss of his sister. And we thank you for your mercies. Lord, we pray that hearts and minds and thoughts will be turned toward you in this difficult time. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you so much for that prayer, Kevin. Really appreciate that a lot. All right. Anybody else want to chat? Go ahead. Foxtrot. Foxtrot. Will, go ahead. Yeah, I found it kind of ironical that it was Baptists this morning that were supporting the idea of faith alone and not faith plus the work, i.e. baptism. Can't find that. Yeah, isn't that interesting? Yeah, the Baptists in particular don't believe baptism is essential to salvation, so... Yeah, well thank you for that, appreciate that brother. Alright, anybody else want to comment? Go ahead. Got a question, W6YSI. W6YSI, go ahead. Are you familiar with a Christian author by the name of E. Raybund Capps? E-A-P-T. I am not, never heard the name. Go ahead. I just finished reading a small booklet that was given to me, actually it was sent to me, titled "The Abrahamic Covenant." Yeah, I can't say, don't know, hopefully it's good. Is it got a good publisher, over? Artisan Publishers. Yeah, I don't know the publisher and don't know the names so I can't comment on the content or the accuracy of that teaching, but you know, you know enough to read it and be discerning, and if you want to discuss it after you're done reading it, I'd be glad to do that. Go ahead. Yeah, I finished reading it in a few days, and it's just a small The whole book is only like 40 pages. That's a very interesting thing to say. Very thought-provoking. Anyway, sorry to interrupt. Steve, I have a series of Sunday School lessons I taught on the Covenant. There's a bunch of messages. I think there's 42 of them or something like that. And so I talked about what is a covenant, and then I talked about the five major covenants of the Bible, the Noahic covenant that God made with Noah, and then, of course, the Abrahamic covenant, which is huge because it provides the foundation for redemption. with the three grand promises, the seed, the land, and the blessing. The seed, of course, is Jesus. The land is the new heaven and new earth, and the blessing is salvation. Now, of course, there were short-term fulfillments of that, in that the land was the land of Israel, and the seed, of course, was Isaac, and the blessing was all the blessings that were given to the people of God in the old covenant if they obeyed God, of fruitful fields and peace and society and victory in war and all of those things. So Abrahamic covenant has an approximate fulfillment, in Isaac and the land of Israel and the blessings of material prosperity and the blessings, of course, of receiving the scriptures. And then it has an ultimate fulfillment in the seed being Jesus, Galatians 3, and the land being the new heavens and the new earth, and the blessing being salvation. So that's kind of an Abrahamic covenant in a nutshell. If you'd like to hear more about that, those sermons are available on sermonaudio.com. Back to you, Steve. Okay. Appreciate that. Thanks. Well, I'm going to bid you all a good morning. And certainly more great study to come here. And just one thought that always sticks with me is anytime we add or detract from the gospel, we're adding or taking away from what Christ did on the cross. We're saying in essence that Christ's work on the cross was not sufficient. And of course we know the sacrifice he gave of himself as a ransom on our behalf was sufficient and complete in and of itself. There's nothing we can add to it, and we certainly are on dangerous ground if we try to take away from that. Anyway, blessings to all this morning. I wish you all a wonderful day. KB7, Zedek. Kevin, I certainly agree wholeheartedly with you. Repentance and faith are not works. They're just the empty hand that receives the works that another did. But baptism is definitely a work, something we do. And so, therefore, it cannot be part of the gospel. And Paul's real clear about that. He says, You know, I came to preach, not to baptize, but to preach the Gospel. And he says baptism in opposition to the Gospel, not as a part of it. And you know that passage in Mark, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, and he that believeth not shall be damned." So believing or not believing is of the essence of being saved or being damned. Baptism is just something that's closely associated with it. It's the first step of obedience regarding it, but it's not of the essence of it. And so Paul said to the Philippian jailer, He said, "What must I do to be saved?" He said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." And there's a period there. He didn't say, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be baptized and you will be saved." So, yeah. Anyway, there's lots of passages, lots of arguments there. Kevin, thank you. Love you, brother. Appreciate you being there. We'll talk to you tomorrow. WB7 in May, X, it's clear. Don't take off, Kevin. 5 Yankee? 5 Yankee. Go ahead. Yeah, I try and be very analytical and analyze things to death. And here's the thing that might put the nail in this, and that is that Jesus, as part of God, the Holy Spirit, is perfect without sin. If you can answer this question, you might be able to differentiate the difference between baptism and belief. And that is, why was Jesus baptized? Yeah, the answer is Jesus was not baptized to be saved. Jesus was baptized in order to be identified with sinful men whom he was going to represent. And so John the Baptist was baptizing people for repentance of sin, as you well know from the passage. And so when Jesus was baptized, he wasn't baptized for repentance of sin. He was baptized for the purpose of identification with those who are repenting of their sins, saying, I'm going to take your sins upon me. As it were, he was being baptized into union with all of those who were repenting and waiting for Messiah. John the Baptist's message was, you know, there's one coming after me whose shoes I'm not worthy to unloose, and he is going to bring salvation. I'm paraphrasing there, but the idea of Jesus' baptism is not one of salvation. It's one of identification with those who are seeking salvation and expressing their faith. desire to repent of their sins, because John's baptism was not the same as Christian baptism. The baptism we do after the resurrection and as a result of the Great Commission is a looking back on the salvation. John's baptism was a baptism of anticipation. looking forward to the Messiah that he said was going to show up. And, of course, the Messiah did show up. So a little bit of a rambling answer there, but go ahead. No, I think you answered it. The key is that Jesus did get baptized in a way of showing solidarity with the people he came to redeem. So I'm hoping that because of that, you can differentiate, helps differentiate the difference between being baptized. and believe. And I lay all my cards on John 3:16. Whosoever believeth in me shall be saved. Off Alpha 5G. Yeah, well said, Beck, and I certainly do as well. And so anyway, being born of water, that passage in John 3, that's talking about physical birth. it's very clear that the verse before it and the verse after it are talking about physical birth. So to be born of water and blood is to be born physically and then be born spiritually, be born again. So, you know, the thing about, you know, understanding the system of theology that the Bible teaches is that it's not simplistic. And so what we have to do is take all of the passages, and we have to put them all together, and then we have to sit back and reflect and say to ourselves, how does all this fit? And, you know, there's some thinking that has to be done, and one of the presuppositions that we approach the Bible with is the principle of non-contradiction. And so all the verses have to be correlated with each other and seen... to fit together with each other in a non-contradictory fashion. And so we have to understand the doctrine of baptism not from any one single proof text, but from all of the texts put together that talk about the nature of salvation, the provision of salvation, the means of obtaining that salvation, and the fruits of that salvation. And as we put all of that data together, which is a lot, we come up with an understanding of how it all fits together. And I think it's pretty plain how it does. I think that historic Orthodox Christianity has recognized the nature of salvation as being that which involves repentance and faith in Jesus plus nothing. And, you know, as I read the Bible and I study these passages, you know, that's a solid conclusion that I come to as well. Thanks, thanks. We are on the same page, over. Yeah, Roger, well, I don't know much about the Bible, but I do know a little. And for some reason, some things just stick very solidly in my brain, and I thought maybe I could contribute something to help paint the picture of what the Bible is actually saying. I'll pass it by, thank you. Yeah, you absolutely did. And, you know, John the Baptist's baptism wasn't saving. Jesus' baptism went for, as you said, solidarity and identification. And New Testament baptism is for testimony. Baptism has never been saving, and it's not now. But it is important. It is the first essential step. And if someone doesn't want to be baptized, then you have to ask yourself, are they believing in Jesus? Are they not willing to be a disciple of Jesus? You know, in Matthew 28,