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Some Section 8 housing or something has opened up for him right across from the hospital where he can get into a real home that is insulated so that he can have some warmth. So praise the Lord for that. So we're praising the Lord for Randy getting housing. Copy there, George? Roger, Roger, copy. Okay, good, good. Alright. Okay, praise the Lord for Randy. Boy, that's good news. I'm really glad to hear that. Alright, any other check-ins this morning? Please come down to the conference. Okay, there's Brian, KJ7PWM. Good morning, Brian. How you doing? Okay, copy. Happy to be here. And we got you checked in, Brian. Appreciate that. And, all right, that's Brian, KJ7PWM. All right, other check-ins, please come down. WS7SAB and Alpha Alpha 5 Yankee. Good morning, Pastor Max, Kathy, and the group. All right. Good morning to you, Sandy. WS7SAB and Beck Alpha Alpha 5 Yankee. Any news on an appointment for Sandy's hip replacement? Over. Nope. Still haven't heard anything yet. All right, real good. We are praying for Sandy, WS7SAB, that's Whiskey Sierra 7, Sierra Alpha Bravo. She needs a hip replacement, and she's trying to get an appointment to get that surgery done. So we're praying that they will obtain an appointment. Copy there, George? Roger copy. All right, real good George, thank you for that. Okay, so we've got back Alpha Alpha 5 Yankee check in along with Sandy, W7SAB. All right, other check ins, please come down. Alright, so now we'd like to acknowledge JR of the K6LBP. Good morning, JR. See you there on the Half Moon Bay SDR. Appreciate you being there. And let's see, I think we've got everyone else checked in that is on the Half Moon Bay. And alright, any more voice check-ins, please come down. Alright, the net would like to acknowledge Peter, KJ7BA. Good morning Peter, see you there on the Utah FDR. Appreciate you being there with us this morning. And Peter says good morning to everyone. All right, well, good morning to you, Peter, and really glad to have you with us again. All right, that's Peter, KJ7BA. All right, I think we've got everybody caught up on our SDRs. We're taking voice check-ins for the West Coast Bible Study. Please come now. Thank you. Alright, it is 6 o'clock and it's time for us to get started with the West Coast Flywheel. Pretty well, we've got about 30 seconds to go. I'll hang here for a couple more seconds. CW6YSI, I'm going to ask you to open in prayer when the time comes, so if he could be ready for that, that'd be great. Alright, any other check-ins, please come down. Comment K2KJX. Call me K2KJX, come in. I just want to confirm, is that Scott's brother NPA Mark? No, it's his cousin, it's his cousin, over. Okay, roger roger, thank you. Yeah, you bet. Okay, so Mark Ramp is Scott N7/NPA's cousin. Alright, real good. Thank you, George. Alright, any other check-ins? Come now. Any relays? Alright, we are going to get started with our passage today in 1 Corinthians 11. Now, as you recall, yesterday We looked at verses 1 through 3 of 1 Corinthians chapter 11, and Paul talked about the principle of headship. And he talked about that specifically in verse 3, when he said, But I would have you to know that the head of every man is Christ. The head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God. So we talked about the issue of hierarchy and subordination. And what we saw is that we have God the Father, who is at the top of the authority list here, And then we had the Lord Jesus, who came not to do His own will, but the will of the Father which is in heaven. We then have the man who is not autonomous. He is under the authority of Jesus Christ, and his job is to carry out the will and the work of Christ. And then under His authority is the woman, and so she is to follow her husband. She is to respect male leadership in the church and in the nation. And she is to carry out the role of being an assistant to, and in subordination to, in particular, male leadership, wherever it may be manifested. Now then, we then talked about the fact that there is equality between the Father and the Son in terms of their attributes and their essence, their worth and their value, and we said there was equality. between the essence and the attributes, and the worth and the value of man and woman, just like there is between the Father and the Son. However, in the area of roles and activity, there is subordination. So when we look at the Trinity in terms of its being, there is equality. When we look at the Trinity in terms of its work, there is superiority and subordination. And so we see the same thing in the home. Men and women are equal in their worth, value, significance, being, salvation. and yet they are different in terms of the roles that God has called them to engage in, in the work that they do in the home, in the church, and in the nation. Alright, so that was the principle that was established, and now we're going to see the application of that in a particular area, and that is the application of the cultural custom of head covering that was then existing in that period of history in the nation of Greece, where Corinth was. So that's where we're headed today. We're going to be reading verses 3 to 16, which deals with this whole issue of head covering, the significance of it, and whether these women in Greece should practice it or not, and why. And then of course we're going to talk about the application of that to ourselves today. So that's the section and the terrain that lies before us. Before we get started with our reading, we want to open in prayer. And so Steve, W6YSI, could you open in prayer for us please? Let us bow our heads. Father, we bow our heads and some of us might be even on our knees at the present time. Just to thank you for another day. Thank you for rest. God, thank you for your help. We can be up and about again for another day. We're about to read your Word and ponder your Word and seek, oh God, what you would have for us today. So thank you for your Word. It's inspired of God, and it's profitable. We need your Word. It's manna from heaven. We're thankful for it. We just pray that, Lord, like the deer, Pantus, that you'd give us a hunger and a thirst for your word this morning and right now. That you'd give us teachable hearts. That you would give us ears to hear you. Oh, God, that you would give us what we need today. We all have different needs. but as your children, Lord, we know that it's food from you. We ask that you help us so that, Lord, in the end, that we would not just be hearers of this word this morning, but that we will be obedient doers of your word. So we just ask your blessing upon us this morning. In Jesus' name, amen. Amen. Thank you so much for that prayer, Steve. Much appreciated. The net would like to acknowledge Mark W7UAR. Mark, see you there on the Utah SDR. Glad to have you with us this morning. All right. We're going to read this passage. I'm going to ask Scott N7NPA if he would do the reading. And so, Scott, N7NPA, I'd like you to start with verse 3. That's 1 Corinthians 11 and verse 3. And read down through verse 16. Go ahead there, Scott. Alrighty, good morning everyone. I'll be reading out of the New American Standard this morning. Verse 3, but I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying disgraces his head. But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head. For she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off. But if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and the glory of God. But the woman is the glory of man. For the man does not originate from woman, but woman from man. It says in verse 9, nor is man independent of woman. For as a woman originates from the man, so also the man has his birth through the woman, and all things originate from God. Judge for yourselves, is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? Does it not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him? But if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her, for her hair is given to her for a covering. But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God. And that brings her up to 17, Max, and 7 MPH. Scott, excellent reading. Thank you for that. All right. Any comments on this section, please come down with your callsign. - Pop Alpha, please go ahead, Scott. - Well, I don't know if I have any comments, but this section that I read, throughout, playing back when I was a teenager, which was back in the '70s, it muddied my water, so I'm kind of looking forward to a lot of seminary preachings or teachings there. I remember, reading as a young teenager about this bit about the man having long hair. Well, back in the day, a lot of us had long hair. Mine wasn't super long. But my dad had a fit when I grew it over my ears, you know. And this whole thing, I know there's a following. I don't remember who they are, what denomination, but the women there covered their head to this day during the service. So there's a lot of tug-of-war here in my mind. And so I could use a lot of clarification for those that are a lot smarter about this than I am. And 7 MPH. All right, Scott, real good. And I think your feeling is the feeling of many. I do have a sermon on sermon audio. on this section in which I provide all the detailed exegesis, explanation, historical background, and perspective on all of those questions that you ask. So if anybody's interested in the extended explanation, just go to Google and type in this passage, 1 Corinthians 10, 3-16, and then type in Pastor Max Donor. And that sermon will probably come up on Sermon Audio. It's there in my exposition of 1 Corinthians. I preach through every book of the New Testament, verse by verse. So that resource is available. The only books I haven't covered are 2 Timothy, Mark, and parts of Luke. But everything else has a verse by verse explanation. So you're welcome to go and look at that for an extended explanation of any of these passages. But yes, Scott, this is a very controversial passage. And there is a lot of debate about not only what it means, but how it applies in our day and age. And let's talk about that issue of long hair for a minute, okay? Look, I, like you, we're about the same age. We're raised in the 60s when the hippies started wearing long hair as an act of rebellion. I remember the Beatles, which was a rock and roll group, they all had long hair. And it was a mark of rebellion against society. the culture and the practice of our day. But we've got to understand that one of the eternal principles that is set forth in this passage is the distinction between male and female. In God's mind and in God's word, there is no gender confusion. There are only two sexes. There is male and there is female. And those sexes, as we have seen in verse 3, have distinct roles. and distinct representations so that when you look at a man or you look at a woman, you shouldn't have to look twice to figure out if it's a man or if it's a woman. And so God has established the principle that women have longer hair, men have shorter hair, and so that when you look at someone's hair, whether from the front or the back or the side, you can instantly say that's a man or that is a woman. So even in nature, you see, there's a big difference between the male and the female. I have on my wall some mounted ducks, and you look at the drake, and you look at the hen, and God made them really different. And so it's the same way with lions and lionesses, and in so many of the creatures of the natural creations. You just look at nature, and nature makes a very clear distinction between the male of the species and the female of the species in the way in which their bodies are constructed, the coloring that's given to them, and, of course, the roles that they engage in. So what Paul is saying is, look, even when you look out at nature, you can instantly tell the difference between male and female, and it's the same way with men and women. A man shouldn't dress in a way so that he looks like a woman. A woman shouldn't dress in a way so that she looks like a man. And they should have certainly a distinction in their hair length. All right. Other comments, please come down. QQH. All right. We had a double there. We got them both. So I got first Steve, YSI, and then Al, QQH. So Steve, YSI, go first. Just a quick and short statement. We sure got a confused society today. How can you tell? W6YSI. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. Well, yeah. In the whole transgender movement and the movement that says there's 29 different genders, all of that is defiance and rebellion against God. You wonder, what's with these crazy people? Why do they think that they're intersex? Or why do they think a man can become a woman or vice versa? Yeah. The reason for that is rebellion and defiance against God. Whatever God's created order is, the carnal mind is enmity against God, it's not subject to the law of God, and indeed can it be, as it says in Romans 8:7. And so, as a result, people are defying God, even in the most fundamental categories. of male and female and attempting to be their own gods, define their own genders and gender roles and activities. And, of course, that results in not only societal chaos, but actual insanity. Okay, Al, KJ7QQH, go ahead. Well, thank you, Pastor Max. I've always said that terror is overrated. And as a bald guy, this passage makes me okay with that. And being a retired military guy, it was always driven into us that wearing a hat was kind of there. There was that military customs and courtesies and protocols revolving around that. Whenever you entered a building, you took your hat off. And so it's a sign of respect and honor to the head of the House. Also, it's just a common courtesy. I don't know how everyone else feels about that, but that's the way I would put it. framed and raised. So, KJ7QQH. Yeah, Al, you know, you bring up a really good point, and that is that there are customs in various cultures that have to do with whether you wear something on your head or whether you don't. Now, as you well said, you're in the military, And the military has customs and protocols for when a military man wears his hat and when he doesn't wear his hat. And of course, by conforming to that custom, you are showing respect for the institution and for its authority. And, you know, that's really the principle that's going on here. Paul's point in this passage is simply this. When cultural customs... reflect and are in harmony with a biblical truth, then those customs ought to be observed. Because to cast off those customs in that culture that do reflect biblical truth is to cast off the truth that the Bible represents. So the biblical truth is simply this: is that women are in a position of submission to the authority and headship of men. We saw that established very clearly in verse 3. And then the cultural application of that in Greek culture was that a man would dishonor himself by putting on a head covering, because in Greek culture, the head covering was a symbol of submission and subjection and subordination. And therefore, for a man to wear such a covering would be to diminish himself to the level of being a slave. So women and slaves were covered in Greek culture, and men were not covered in Greek culture. And so what you had here was women who were the feminists of the day and who wanted to declare equality with men were taking off their head coverings. And what Paul was saying here is, look, you know, if you're going to take off your head covering, you want to be like a man. Go ahead and cut your hair too short like a man does. And, of course, what he's doing here is he's saying he's not suggesting that they do cut their hair off, but he's just carrying out the logical implications of the rebellious, defiant act of throwing off the head covering in defiance of the culture and its cultural significance for that head covering. And so what he's saying here is that you need to conform to the culture in which you're at when that culture represents a biblical principle by its practice. Now, as I understand it in a Roman culture, it didn't convey that same message, and so the message wouldn't have been. don't take off your head covering because head covering was not a sign of subordination in Roman culture. And so the idea here is that in different cultures, there's different customs, and when those customs reflect a biblical principle, then we need to conform to those customs so that we are conveying to the eyes of the culture we're in the biblical principle that that custom reflects. So that's why, Al, you follow the protocol of taking your hat off when you go in a building when you're in the military, because in the military, that's a sign of respect that they teach you to engage in. All right, great comment there, and that opens up some more discussion. Any comments, please come out. Thanks, my friend. Okay, we had a double there. I did pick up Jerry, AE-70R. Jerry, please go ahead. Yeah, I'm always kind of uncomfortable when I see men wear hats in church. AE-70R. That's entirely correct, yeah. Wearing a hat inside of a building or wearing a hat especially in church is certainly uncomfortable. something that we shouldn't do. It's a sign of just respect in our culture, as Al was saying, that you would take off your hat when you went inside of a building, especially into a church building. So, Jerry, thank you for that. Any further comments there, Jerry? Go ahead. Negative. All right, good. All right, there was somebody else that keyed up along with Jerry. Other station, come now. Okay, Jerry. 5 Yankee. Okay, I think I had a double again, but I got 5 Yankee. Go ahead there, Beck. Yeah, Roger, in the Marine Corps, the so-called hat was referred to as a cover. And to answer Scott's question, when I was in Sacramento, the Romanian women always wore scarves over their heads. Yeah, and you see the same thing in Islamic culture, okay? Islamic women cover their heads. They are mandated to do that as an act of submission to and as a way of covering their sexuality and attractiveness from lecherous men who have no self-control or self-restraint. Islamic men think if a woman is uncovered, then she's a legitimate object of rape. And so they cover their women in that culture. And so I think as you go around the world, probably to Romania, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Brazil, China, you would see different practices. the different cultural practices and the way in which people dress. And so the principle is that you conform to the cultural practices of dress that conveys congruity with biblical principles. And so that's what was going on here. Paul is not mandating... a perpetual, eternal, universal uniform that women have to wear across cultures, across time, and across nations. He's just saying that you need to convey a proper message to the culture around you by the way in which you conduct yourself in relationship to its customs that you find yourself in. So you're going to dress differently as a woman in Saudi Arabia than you are in America because those cultures are radically different. And so the expectations and the messages you convey by the way in which you dress is also going to be radically different. And this goes back to the principle of Christian liberty, doesn't it? Where we become all things to all men that we might by all means win some. And so if you're in a culture or an environment where people conduct themselves in a certain way because that's what's respectful, then conduct yourself in that way so you don't create unnecessary offense for the Gospels. And so you're using your Christian liberty in such a way as to not create a necessary offense for the gospel. All right, other comments. Come on. AK6OK. AK6OK. Jeff, go ahead. It's really interesting. When I'm working in the Navy, we do a lot of work on chapels, on ships, et cetera. But I've noticed a few things. Number one is they salute the ship when they go up the ramp. And I was just reading about hats in the military that you normally do not wear them indoors. But also, if you're armed, if you carry a weapon, you are supposed to always wear your hat as well. Very, very interesting. Men are not permitted to wear earrings if they are on duty. If they're off duty, in most situations they can, but they cannot. These are current regulations, though, right? Yeah, well said. And once again, here's a custom of a culture. And of course, because there's authority in the military, these things are mandated and they need to be obeyed because it's an issue of subordination to military authority. But nevertheless, that's a culture, that's a custom. There are meanings to the way in which you dress. what you have on and what you don't have on. And as a Christian, you know, it doesn't matter if you have a hat on or don't have one on. You know, you use that liberty in a way to avoid any unnecessary offense. You know, the whole issue of earrings is interesting. That's a whole different topic. But once again, earrings mean different things in different cultures. And in Jewish culture, to have an earring was to be a slave. And so free men didn't wear earrings. Only slaves wore them. And in our culture, pretty much only women wear them. Of course, that's changing now. But we have to ask ourselves, what am I saying by the way in which I dress? If I showed up to meet the President of the United States in rough work clothes... I would not be respecting his position in his office. I would go and meet him in a suit and a tie. And so we have to ask ourselves about this whole issue of dress. What is the message I'm conveying? What is the culture around me going to perceive by what I am wearing or not wearing? And what is the message they're going to get? And how should I dress in such a way as to not create offense? so that the gospel is not immediately rejected because my conduct and deportment and dress is inappropriate in that situation. So I think that's the principle here. The other principle, of course, is the one Scott in 7NPA brought up, and that is there needs to be a clear distinction between the sexes. However you dress, this androgynous mode of dressing where there's this gender-blending mentality, Men need to dress like men. However, that culture represents that. And women need to dress like women. However, that culture represents that. And that is also represented in the length of a person's hair. And so men wear shorter hair. Women wear longer hair. So that there's never a question when you look at someone as to what gender they are. And by conducting ourselves in that fashion, We are upholding God's created order, and God's created order is that there's only males, only females, and a clear distinction between them as to their roles and their representations in society. All right, other comments? Please come down. Papa Alpha. Okay, I got PDI and Papa Alpha. Papa Alpha, go first, and then we'll pick up PDI. Go ahead. Yeah, I just want to yield to Mark. Mark's been trying to get in for the last two or three pileups. PBD. Okay, thank you for that. All right, David, we'll get you in a minute. Mark, KJ7PVT, please come ahead. Thank you, Max. Can you hear me okay? I can hear you. Go ahead. Okay, I'm reading something from Dr. Jayburn in the game. Many of you know that he He has a five-year Bible study. He's long been dead, and his study still carries on today through more than 120 countries. But I was really interested. I'm going to direct our attention for a moment in just a slightly different direction. This one kind of took me by surprise, so I'd like to share it with you. And from this, I've also... I've kind of got another point to add to what he says, and I'd like to hear what you have to say about this. So let me read this. He says, "As I write this, long hair is a fad among men." What I'm reading from is actually from one he wrote a lot, so let's back away. "Men who let their hair grow so long that you can hardly recognize them, they seem to me to be expressing a lack of purpose in life. I wonder if it's a moment." A moment. I'm moving towards the animal world anyway, but let me get to the meat of it here. Notice that Paul says, and this is what I'd like to identify here, "Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a shame to him?" And this next section is really interesting. Listen to this. "We have an example of this in the Old Testament. The Nazarite vow was an act of consecrating oneself to God. It was symbolized by long hair, uncut hair. This meant that the Nazarite was willing to bear the shame for God's name. That's something I never really thought of. And even at that time, men's hair was long, was considered shameful. The Nazarite now, we know, was also, Jesus was called a Nazarene. And I'm just saying that from myself at this point, this is what I got from it. Our Lord was willing to bear shame for God's name. He bore our shame. KJ7, PNJ. Thank you. Yeah, okay, Mark. Good comment. Mark is talking about the Nazirite vow in the Old Testament, in which the Nazirite men did allow their hair to go uncut for a specified period of time, thus showing their willingness to bear the shame. of their condition before God. It also may have been an expression of subordination since women wore long hair, and long hair is a sign of subordination. So in any event, the clear implication from the whole Nazirite vow thing is that for men to have long hair was extraordinary, it was unusual, and it was always temporary. When the Nazarite vow finished, they would always cut it back off again. So even that ceremony, which allowed men to wear long hair for a period of time for the purpose of expressing a deep subordination to God with reference to a particular area or issue in their life, was never meant to be a norm, nor was it meant to be ongoing. You mentioned that Jesus was called a Nazirite. That wasn't because he had a Nazirite vow. It was because he grew up in the town of Nazareth, and so he was called a Nazarene. Nazareth had a very bad reputation, by the way. It was not a good town. We kind of think of San Francisco or New York as being very evil towns, and Nazareth kind of had that reputation. So it was kind of a negative statement, you know, if you said, "Oh, he's from San Francisco," you'd say, "Oh, well, that guy's a left-wing liberal." "Oh, he's from Nazareth." "Oh, he's a scumbag." And so that was the approbation that came from that. So Mark, thanks for bringing out that issue of the Nazarene vow and the unusual exception there for men wearing long hair and the significance of that, that it was shame, submission, subordination, and it was temporary and it was there just for a period of time. All right. Also, we had a comment there from David, KT7 PDI. David, please go ahead. Thank you, Max. Yeah, the head covering obviously is playing pretty well here. The problem that we run into is in our tonight and the day. Unfortunately, what we see is the church by and large. I don't know. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. Go ahead. Okay. So the church by and large, what has happened is these different drafts that we see today, and many people starting for attention, is prepped into the church as well. We see people who do not accept their normal life. with the features that God has given them, or their hair color, for instance. And I think that was mentioned a little earlier. You look at our society now, and you see people with blue hair, green hair, purple hair, you name it. And I've talked to some of these people, and what it is, they're starving for attention. Look at me, look at me. And they can get all of that attention they need if they just would follow God's word and do it the way that he said to do it and carry yourself in that kind of respect and honor of him. And what will happen is you'll get all the attention you need, but it will come from the one who can feel that passion. that donut hole faith in your heart, and that's faith. But you see people today in our society, it's just a shame to see all of what's happening. And then I see it even creep into the church where you have young Christian women or professing Christians, but then yet their hair is red when their hair action color is brown and they've dyed it a bright red. Look at me. I don't know why that is the way it is, but I just have to make sure that I honor God's word. Don't allow the world to creep into God's word. His word is preeminent, and that is what we need to follow. Keep looking. We'll send it to the public. I'll see you back soon. Yeah, I think you make a really, really good point there, David. And that is, is that why is there this abuse of our God-given appearance? And David was mentioning women dyeing their hair bright red or bright green. I think that also goes along with tattooing. I think it goes along with excessive facial piercings and all those kinds of things. And, you know, it's an effort to express rebellion against God's created structure of our bodies. It's also an effort, as you well said, to get attention. Look at me. And, you know, one of the things that we as Christians should do is try to not draw attention to ourselves, because we want to draw attention to Jesus Christ. And that's why we read, for example, in 1 Peter chapter 3, In verse 3, regarding women whose adorning, let it not be that of the outward adorning, of the plating of the hair, and the wearing of gold, or putting on a fancy apparel, but rather let it be the hidden man of the heart, which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. And we read the same thing there in 1 Timothy chapter 2 about how women should dress in relationship to the church and the men as well. The whole idea is that I tried to dress in such a way that it was so normal, it was so ordinary, it was so unremarkable that people didn't even pay attention to how I was dressed. what they were paying attention to was the message that I was conveying with my words, which was the gospel. Because the last thing I wanted to do was draw attention to myself. And so by being, if you will, the gray man, the unremarkable person, the person who doesn't stand out, we were drawing attention to Christ. And that's why when you see certain denominations having their women dressed in extremely unusual clothing so that they stand out, and the first thing you see is not Christ. You see this bizarre clothing that they're wearing. And it's like, oh, and it draws attention immediately to the person and their external proclamation of self-righteousness by the uniform that I'm wearing, rather than being ordinary folk that are unremarkable except for their speech, their conduct, their character, the way they behave. And then that is what sheds the light. That is what draws people's attention to Jesus Christ. So a great comment there, David. Really appreciate that. All right, other comments. Please come down. W6 Romeo, room is who we at? Okay, we've got Doc there, W6 RLJ, Doc, go ahead. This is W6 RLJ. As an experienced military person with a career in the Air Force and the Army, I've been to war. In the War Force, I was personally in the combat unit, and we had to talk to the Army to meet this. and I was doing a lot of things with them, both men and women, but not so many women until later in Desert Storm. And then we gathered together and played support. And then when we get to heavy action, the chaplains, the good ones, by the way, were always there to help with the taking care of the wounded and also getting care of whatever. And many times they put their lines at risk. And there wasn't any cooking in the military. There wasn't any problems between male and female because in the one part, we don't have too many females. Now, moving these along, we have a few more. But even so, The military in regards to your chapel and the religious service, they're very much sacred to you. Your life is on the line, and your faithfulness on a regular basis. So now God seems much nearer. Yeah, thank you for that, Doc. You're exactly right. You know, we're out in the military, and we're in the war zone. Then a lot of those distinctions fall away, and everybody's focused on the mission. and everybody's focused on the Lord. Doc, thanks for that comment, appreciate that. Okay, any final comments? We are out of time. Is there a final comment anybody wants to make? I don't want to shut anybody off. Please come with your call sign. - ISI. - Steve, W6YSI, go ahead. - Just a quick comment, see, At least in my viewpoint, the problem that we are seeing in our society and throughout the whole world is that the idea of humanism, humanistic society, is overtaken. Just about everything, we're the center of attention. The reason we're doing everything is not because of God being at the center of our viewpoint, It's man that's at the center of the viewpoint. It's all about me. And in so many ways there's very little concern about, well, what does God have to say? What does He think about the way I dress or the way I wear and how I talk? Anyway, that's my thought for the second. W6YSI. Steve, you know, that's such an excellent concept because that's a big principle. What does God think of how I dress? And I think that's the question we have to ask ourselves. It's not what does fashion have to say, what do all my peers have to say, but rather what does God have to say? And so as Steve said, humanism has this mentality. I can define for myself a right and wrong, good and evil, and how we should behave and what my parents should be. But the Christian says, no, God gets to define what my behavior is, what my beliefs are, what my conduct is, and how I should even dress. And so while the whole issue of dress has some controversy around it, what should not be controversial is that we are bought with a price. And therefore we are servants of God, glorifying him in our bodies and in our spirits, which are God's. So the way you treat your body matters. The way you treat it with reference to its sexual conduct matters. The way you treat it with reference to how you use it in the service of God matters. And the clothing you put on it matters. And so while there's no universal mandate in this passage for women to wear head coverings, there is a universal mandate to dress in such a way that would please God and properly convey His message without offense to the culture in which you're living. And so that's the reason why across the world Christians have dressed differently in different countries. And there is no universal uniform that is worn across all times and cultures. And so in our day and age, I run into certain legalists that try to impose head coverings on women in church. What's interesting is that this passage isn't even talking about how women conduct themselves in church, because it talks about women praying and prophesying without a head covering. Well, we're going to see in chapter 14, women are to be silent in the church. They're not to lead in prayer, and they're not to prophesy in church. We see that also in 1 Timothy chapter 2. So clearly he doesn't start talking about church down until verse 17 and 18 when he introduces the Lord's Supper. Here he's talking about how women conduct themselves in the culture at large. And so we've got to pay attention to exegesis and context and not have a simplistic, legalistic understanding of this passage as mandating that all women everywhere have to wear head covering no matter what. And those who teach that simply don't understand the passage of the Thrust. All right, we are done, and we are going to go to prayer now. Before George K2KJX leads us in prayer, are there any final prayer requests? Please come down to your call sign. I have a praise. Okay, you have a praise. Go ahead. The report from Dailene's pathology indicates, as far as we can read it, it's very detailed, but there is no involvement with the lymph system. And so thank you for your prayers for my family. Thank you. All right, that is Roger, WB7VZL, with a huge praise. Daylene, his wife, had a lump on her breast. They went in and took the lump out and surrounding lymph nodes. The lymph nodes are clear, so that's a stage 1 cancer. That's exactly what my wife had, Roger. And so there are treatment options, but that is a very, very survivable, highly survivable cancer. My wife has survived it twice, 15 years apart. So Roger, super good news. And so let's praise the Lord for Roger, WB7BZL, his wife, Dalyne, that's D-A-L-E-N-E, for no involvement in the lymph nodes with cancer. Copy there, George? - Roger, Roger. - Okay, real good. Any other prayer requests or praises, come now. All right, George, K2KGX, please close in prayer for us. - Please pray with me. Thank you, our Heavenly Father, for your love, kindness, and mercy. Thank you, Lord Jesus, for paying our sin debt. And thank you, Holy Spirit, for marking us your own by filling us with your Spirit. I would like to pray for KJ722H, Al, for Jenny's hip replacement and healing. I hope that she continues her... exercises to promote the healing. For Whiskey 6RLJ Doc, for his South Pacific medical mission, that there would be healing and that they would look for opportunities to share the gospel, which I know they do, and we thank you for that. And for Scott and 7MTA's cousin Mark, we pray for his cancer healing and remission. Whiskey 10 goes Whiskey 7, Tango, Whiskey Oxford, W7TWO, pray for Randy getting housing. I know in this winter month it's a tough thing to find housing, especially here in Montana. And W7SAB Sandy, I pray for her that she would find housing. or get an appointment for her hip replacement. And that's a big thing, and I know it's a struggle with pain. W7DZL, pray for Daylene. No lymph nodes and no cancer, I think is what I copied. And I praise you for that, Lord, and thank you that there's no issues. I'll also pray for Mike, November N7FSM. after having COVID that he regains his taste and smell. Mike's kind of a friend of mine over in Helena, and I pray for you, Mike. Jim, N7BKE, for opportunities to share the gospel. That's our mission in life, Lord, to just share your love, share the gospel with others that we meet. And Scott, N7NPA, pray for the salvation of all the children, grandchildren, great-children, great-grandchildren. Amen. of those on the net. We're a group of all ages, and it's amazing to have great grandchildren. For God to work in their hearts and for their protection from the ways of the world and the attacks of the evil one, Satan. I pray for Brian, KJ7, PWM, salvation of Mariah, Brian's secretary. Brian gave her a Bible to read and I hope she reads it and opens it up for Brian's son Avery and his girlfriend Zoe to get married and become safe. They are the parents of a five-year-old Alex and expecting another child. James, K7-0AO, prayer for Judy to regain her ability to speak. after her stroke, and I know that's debilitating, but I pray that for her healing. Thank you, Lord, for your goodness and mercy and grace to each one of us, and for the gift of your Son, Jesus Christ. In his name we pray. Amen. Amen, George. Thank you so much for that prayer. Really appreciate that. Great job. and thank you for leading us to the throne of grace. This is WB7MAX, Net Control for the West Coast Bible Study. I want to thank all the stations who checked in this morning and those who stood by to give us a clear operating frequency. We meet here seven days a week at 6 a.m. in order to read the Scriptures, understand their meaning, message, and application, and then to pray for grace and mercy to live out what we learn. and for God to meet the needs of those that are in our circle of fellowship. I'll be returning this frequency now to regular amateur use. This is WB7MX. I'll be clear and standing by. 5 Yankee. 5 Yankee, go ahead. All this talk along here, unvented stuff, but my personal preference is as soon as it touches my ears, it's time to get a haircut. I can't stand it. So here's the joke for today. Why didn't the lifeguard say "Vivy"? Why did the lifeguard stay busy? Is that the question? Why didn't the lifeguard save the hippie? Why did the lifeguard save the hippie? Okay, go ahead. Why didnt the lifeguard save the hippie? Okay, copy that. Why did not the lifeguard save the hippie? Go ahead. Because he was too far out, man. Because he was too far out, man. You know, I remember that so well in grade school. That was a common saying, "Far out!" you know, or "Out of sight!" That was the exclamation that was made when somebody was impressed with something. So, those of us who were raised during the '60s get that joke. That's really funny, Beck. Thank you. Go ahead. Yeah, Roger. Well, I remember heavy and boss. I've lost all of that except for one I just can't seem to shake and that's cool. Oh, that's too cool. Yeah, copy that. Those are all terms. Go ahead, Steve. Yeah, I just got to listen to a... Yeah, and the one that really sticks with me is "That's Way Cool." It's way cool, man. How about "Groovy"? I think there was a song called "Feelin' Groovy," so people would say, "Oh, that's groovy." Yeah. Don't forget it's a groovy kind of love. Yeah. Well, in any event, you know, what's really interesting is that from time to time, I will hear one of the old rock and roll songs that I used to listen to back in the 1960s, right? And I'll think, oh, I know that song, and I'll listen to the words, and I'll think, that's ridiculous, or that's terrible, or that's just foolishness, or that's nonsense. And I'm thinking, why was I ever attracted to that when the message was so pathetic, or evil, or wrong, or just plain nonsensical? in a you know, what you realize is that shallow people really have nothing to say of any substance, significance, or value. So they just string a bunch of words together, put it with a catchy tune, and make a million bucks off of it. And it's sad that the culture will embrace that kind of music and message when the message that is there is not one not only of any value, but oftentimes not even of any fear. Go ahead there, Beck. Yeah, Roger, I was just thinking about a song I heard on TV the other day. It's an advertisement, and they're singing, My milkshake is better than yours. And I didn't realize that what they're actually talking about is breasts. Yeah, yep. Yeah, sure. Yeah, there was a lot of immorality expressed in a lot of the songs. And, you know, a lot of country western music is that way, too. It's just nothing more than verbal pornography. And so while, you know, singing about loving your partner is fine, there needs to be some limits of propriety. that are expressed there. And often times music crosses those thresholds. Back to you there Steve, W6YSI. I was just thinking in the Reformed Church, I, my family grew up in, you know, the old, old elders from Holland, they had some pretty strong beliefs. And one of them was that you don't dance. We don't allow dancing. We don't want our kids to be taught that. I remember I was in an elders meeting one night and somebody says, "Well, what's the problem with dancing?" And one of the older elders says, "Well, you know, I'll tell you what it is." I said, "Well, what is it?" He says, "It's a vertical expression of a horizontal desire." End of conversation. Yeah, I think that's well said. That's certainly what it was to me when I engaged in dancing back in the day before I was a Christian. Yeah, it was just an effort to create sensuality, sexuality, and ultimately the conclusion of that matter. And while I never went there, But nevertheless, that's what it was all about, was stimulating youthful sexual desire. It certainly wasn't anything that was wholesome or healthy in terms of male-female sexual relations. And so that whole issue of dancing is another whole issue. of who should you do it with, when is it appropriate, if ever, and under what circumstances. So that's another discussion. But anyway, thank you guys for bringing this up and appreciate talking about it. Anybody else want to pop in here with their call sign and have a word? Go ahead. K2KJX, K2KJX. Okay, I heard a couple of voices there. KTKJX, George, you go ahead first. Yeah, I think a man and his wife are probably the only realistic views of dancing. I totally agree, George. I would dance with my wife, but I would never dance with another woman. So thank you for that. All right, there was another station with a comment. Another station, come now. I do have a couple of comments about this because I do remember the '60s well. And, you know, innocent from the far side of the Mississippi Valley didn't really understand all this, the obstinacy and all this disrespect that people were taught. And then even as we came back, we saw pain. of just practically all those geese. And you're now looking at a significant nation. And you realize that many of these people are the great children of the great nations. And those people are going to cause such a record as the U.S. is first time to tail the United States of America, you know, in five countries in the U.S. today, and they are going to be the first to do a little bit of this. of the lives in our later today during the U.S. Yeah, copy that, Doc, and well said. I went through that same transition. I did not serve in the military. I'm a little younger than you are. The Vietnam War ended the year I turned 18, but I saw exactly what you're talking about, where I was raised in a very conservative home with, as you said, God, country, family, moral values all intact and in place. And then all through the 60s, there was a constant assault on that. And the result is that the immorality and the hippies of the 60s ultimately became a people who ran our nation. I think of John Kerry as an example and so many others. And, of course, now they've got kids and green kids and... And those are the people that occupy Wall Street and Antifa and all of the anti-American and fascist ideology that's being perpetrated against our government and against our laws. and against our morality. So once a generation departs from biblical truth, that has repercussions down through the generations. And we're reaping today what was sown in the 1960s. So, Doc, thanks for sharing that. I really appreciate that. Okay, anybody else have a comment? Come on ahead. Quick comment, K2KJX. K2KJX, George, go ahead. Roger. I got an email from Joe, and I don't think he checked in today, but I told him that I'd give him a signal report. He's got Celo Alpha, Celo Zulu, Sierra Delta. Did he check in today? He did not check in today, to my knowledge. But, yeah, that's Joe up in Alaska, KA2ZZ from Naknek, Alaska. I did not hear Joe. Is he on the air? Joe, KA2ZZ, come back to me. *train noise* K2KJX, I didn't hear anything. Did you hear anything over? No, and I tried on the SDR. I didn't hear him either. But anyway, I'll catch up with him tomorrow maybe. K2KJX. Yeah, Joe's a good brother, and he's checked in here several times. I did not hear him today. I emailed him, and so anyway, we want to maintain that connection. George, thank you for reaching out to Joe and please continue to do that. Alright, WB7MAX here. We're having just a roundtable chat. Who wants to talk? Come with your callsign. 5 Yankee. 5 Yankee, go ahead. Yeah, I wanted to make a comment on the dancing. I agree that with the rock and roll and the way they shake their booty, remember that? It's definitely a sexual type thing. But I used to do square dancing. And when I did square dancing, I didn't find that in it. Roger? Yeah, I also did square dancing in high school and it wasn't nearly as sensual as twist and shout, right? Shake it up, baby. My parents did a lot of square dancing in their older years. And for them, it was just fun. Nevertheless, you know, there is, you know, hand-holding and grabbing and twirling around. And there's certainly potential there for a level of physical contact that you wouldn't have in ordinary social situations. which could stimulate some awareness and some desires. But I agree it's not as bad as rock and roll dancing. There's also ballroom dancing, and some people think that that's fine, but I sure don't. So people say, well, David danced before the Lord. Well, he wasn't dancing with a woman. and he was engaging in an act of religious worship and enthusiasm. And so there's no comparison between the dancing that took place in the Bible and the dancing that takes place in ballroom dancing or square dancing or rock and roll dancing. Back to you there, Beck. This is KJ7UMW. Glenn KJ from UNW, go ahead. Hey guys, I am sitting in the room, it's my radio shop down there, in the end of my garage. And there must be, I'm looking at about 2,000 albums, there's probably about 3,045. And I still listen to them. And it doesn't give me that sexual... You know what I'm talking about. It doesn't give me that attitude of sexuality and this kind of stuff. Because you know what? I listen to the music. I'm a guitar player. I listen to what the guitarists and the bassists are doing, and the drums, of course. And as a kid, even up until now, but as a kid back in the '50s, I never understood the lyrics or could actually design them. in my head, so I never knew what the lyrics were for any of these songs. I just knew what the melody sounded like, and I played according to that. So that's my 2.567 kd worth studio. JJ71W, thank you. Yeah, Glenn, I think you bring up an important point there, and I think it's a valid one, and that is that you're listening to these so that you can learn the instrumentation, so you can learn how those instruments work together, and so that you can develop your own musical skills. and you're not really paying attention to the words. So, you know, if someone's doing musical research, you know, if someone is trying to learn musical styles and understand various genres of expression of various instruments, I can certainly see that. So no worries there, George. Pardon me, Glenn. No worries at all. I understand what you're saying, and I appreciate that. And, you know, I'm glad that you are improving your musical skills and your understanding of how different instruments are used by listening to those records. Back to you there, Glenn. Yeah, I think many people have told me to get rid of my records and stuff like that. You know, my dealing with this is for myself. Like I said before, I've never studied what they were talking about. My case goes to the old time rockabilly and into the old time rock and roll up to 1963. deviant words of the music was increasing in a mighty way. So my taste in the old time rock and roll stopped at about 1962. And I'm not going to prove my point. But the other You know, a role of classical music. I have some country music, because a lot of the 50-plus roles in country music were about the same. And so I have no trouble with that. And a lot of these performers were actually pretty decent people. And they were actually talking about situations in their lives. And back then, a lot of church people were turned off going to church because of the attitude. You know, it was what I called the you-can't attitude. You can't dance, you can't talk, you can't run, you can't walk, you can't do anything. And that turned a lot of people away from churches. They got to the point where They thought living that kind of life, he's going to get you into heaven. Of course, we know that's not the truth. But the fact is that we have to realize that our hearts are in God, in Jesus Christ. And if the resurrection starts leading you astray, then maybe that's got to be considered. with me, the only thing that leads me astray is me. So, anyway, back to you, Pastor Matt. Yeah, well said, Glenn, and well articulated. Thank you for that. You know, the thing about...