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Okay, so Al, KJ7Q2H, told us that Jerry's hip replacement went well. Pardon me, Jenny, J-E-N-N-E-Y. That's not Jerry, his wife. That's Jenny, J-E-N-N-Y, Jenny. Her hip replacement went really well yesterday. and just praying for her recovery. So that's Ginny and her recovery, and that request is from Al KJ7QQH. Also, Al KJ7QQH told us his son John is doing well. His cancer numbers are down, which is good, and John is on maintenance chemotherapy now. So his treatment regime is over, and he's just doing maintenance therapy, and we just need to pray that that will eradicate the last of his cancer. His numbers went down from 19 to three, which is good. That's the direction we want to go. And so we continue to pray for John. So copy those two over. Have them down. Thank you. Jerry, AE70R, did you copy those two per request, over? QSL, I have them down. Okay, we've got one more, and that is we received a report from JR, W6LBP -- pardon me, K6LBP, K6LBP. JR reported to us that Gary, who has stage 4 colon cancer, that cancer is going to be treatable with immunotherapy. So we're grateful for that news. And it sounds like Gary has a real good outlook. So that is Gary. And Gary's call sign is W6GLB. That's Whiskey 6 Golf Lima Bravo. So we've been praying for Gary for a while. And so it sounds like he's got a good way forward. with the treatment of his stage 4 colon cancer. So anyway, that's a praise, and also continued prayer for Gary, W6GLB, and that the immunotherapy would work well for him. Copy? Okay. . Okay, this is WB7MAX, net control for the West Coast Bible Study. I'm looking over my SDRs. Well, there's Peter. Good morning, Peter. KJ7BA. Peter, good to have you with us, as always. All right, that's Peter, KJ7BA. Okay, inside us. Will, QM5 Foxtrot, come ahead. Just checking in. No new periclips. Okay, I'm done with this. Okay, copy that, Will. Any update on Keisha and her liver? Can you explain what her status is over? It's stable, and if it goes down any further, she'll be on the bottom of the list, but she's still on the list. But she still needs a lot of prayer for her salvation. It's kind of iffy. We aren't real sure where she is. Yeah, copy that. Well, when in doubt, we conclude that people are unsaved and need to be saved, so good assessment there. And glad that her liver's improving to the point that she's on the bottom of the transplant list. We're headed that direction anyway. That's good news. But, yeah, we'll continue to pray for her salvation. We'll really appreciate that. Okay, this is WB7MAX. We continue to look for check-ins. Any more check-ins, please come down. Alright, so now we'd like to acknowledge Keith, K7NEB. Keith, I see you there on the Utah SDR, appreciate you being there. Peter says good morning to everyone. Peter, thank you for that. Pick that up. Let's see. Who else do we have here? I think we've got everybody covered on Utah. Just give me a second here. We are at 602. It is time for us to get started with a West Coast Bible study. Just want to make sure I've got everybody on my SDRs. One last check here. Yeah, I've got everybody covered that's represented there by way of call signs. Appreciate all the other stations that are just there by way of IP address. Thanks for being there as well. All right, any last minute check-in before we get started with the West Coast Bible Study? Please come down. All right, this is WB7MAX, Net Control for the West Coast Bible Study. I want to thank all the stations who have checked in. Our Bible study today is going to be in 1 Corinthians 11, verses 1 through 3. That's 1 Corinthians 11, verses 1 through 3. We just finished covering an extensive section here in which Paul is dealing with the issue of Christian liberty and how we manage that, and whether we voluntarily restrict ourselves from exercising some Christian liberty for the sake of our testimony and for the sake of the spiritual needs of those who are around us. So anyway, that's... what we have been studying. And now we're moving into a new section. Okay, just a second. I got a message here from Brian, KJ7PWM. He's here. He can't get out with his voice. Brian, KJ7PWM, we got you checked in. Thank you for being there. Okay, that's Brian. And anyway, in this new section, Paul is dealing with the issue of head shifts. in particular the issue of male headship. And he's dealing with that in chapter 11, verses 1 to 16. And then in the rest of the chapter, he deals with the issue of the Lord's Supper. So he's just going through this list that the Corinthians sent him, this list of questions the Corinthians sent him, And so they want to know about this issue of male headship and, in particular, how that's to be played out in terms of head covering on women. And so we're going to be talking about that together. All right. But before we get started, we want to open our time together in prayer. And so, Kevin, KB7ZXN, could you please open in prayer for us today? Okay. Absolutely. Let us bow our heads. Most gracious Father, we do thank you so very much for this opportunity this time to look into your Word, Lord, to look to you for the guidance and the answers of life. Father, we just thank you for hearing our prayers this day, those that we lift up that are in need of various types, both spiritual and physical. And Father, We thank you for also the many things that we have to be thankful and praise you about, Lord, J.R.'s friend and so many others that you're answering prayers for in such a glorious way. Father, we pray these things in your mighty and holy name. Amen. Amen. Thank you so much for that, Kevin. Really appreciate that. All right, we're in 1 Corinthians 11, verses 1 to 3. I'll go ahead and read this. I'm reading out of the King James Version. 1 Corinthians 11, verses 1 to 3, Paul says here, Be followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things, and keep the... ordinances as I delivered them to you. But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God. God. Alright, now we're going to stop there, because this section has a lot in it, and I think we'll be able to complete our discussion today of it, but these three verses form the whole foundation of what he's going to say next. And if we don't get this foundation right, then what he says next is not going to be able to be understood as well. So, any comments from anybody on these first three verses of 1 Corinthians 11, please come down to the call line. All right, well, I'll get started since I'm not hearing any voices out there. Let's look at verse 1. Paul says, Be you followers of me. even as I also am of Christ." Well, that's an interesting statement. You know, typically we would say, you know, we would hear people say, "Don't follow me, follow Jesus!" And that sounds real spiritual, right? But Paul is not quite so spiritual. And I'm speaking facetiously, of course. He's the most spiritual man there ever was. But when he says, "Be followers of me," He certainly offers a qualification, doesn't he? He says, as I follow Christ. And so the point is, is that Paul is an example. And every single one of us are examples. And we are the living, visible example of what it means. to be a Christian and what it means to be a disciple of Jesus Christ and what it means to be able to teach others not just with our words but also with our examples. And so I know, you know, you've heard the old saying, that is partly true, it's only partly true, but there's some truth in it, where it says Christianity is better caught than taught. And what they mean by that is that Christianity is sometimes better understood by seeing it in action in someone's life than it is just by hearing a verbal description of it. Now, mark it down. We need the verbal description. We've got a whole Bible that's nothing but a verbal description, right? So the verbal description is really, really important. We're not downplaying that, but... The issue of being an example is super important. And the question that each of us has to ask ourselves this morning is, what kind of an example am I? Could I say to people, as a Christian, if you want to learn what Christianity is like, follow my example. follow my example in the way I talk to my wife, follow my example in the way I raise my kids, follow my example in the way that I conduct myself in the community at large. That's quite the challenge. And Paul was self-consciously following Jesus Christ in his speech, in his attitudes, in his thinking, in his behavior, in his ministry, to the point that he could say, this is not a perfect example of what a Christian looks like, but this is a substantial example, and you would do better if you followed my example. Now, that is a man speaking with a clear conscience. That's a man speaking as one who is thoroughly dedicated to having Christ as the central organizing principle of his life and one who regulates his life according to that central principle. So I don't want to just blow past verse 1. This is a really important verse. All right, other comments on this verse? Please come down with your call sign. Is that XM? Is that XM? Go ahead. Yeah, no, very excellent, Max, and you're spot on. You know, verse 1 really kind of sets the theme for the whole chapter here and much of this epistle here in this book. Um... You know, and what does that look like? Well, Paul submits himself, first of all, to the authority of Christ. And that's something that we should model as well. And he's saying, "Model this as with me." And then his relationship with others, putting them before himself. in so many regards. We see that lived out through his ministry and through his life, serving others as Christ has served us. And so tomorrow, I look at it as a, you know, as a parent, you know, we want hopefully to be an example for our children. And we want to them to see how we would put Christ first, God, in our lives and how our Lord plays a role in all aspects of our lives, whether it's managing our finances, whether it's our worship, whether it's our relationships with others and with the Lord Himself. And so as we would want to be an example for our children, Paul would say, "Model me in that way. Don't worship me, but model what the priorities are." And in this, I also like to, where he does acknowledge somewhat as we get into this chapter, he's going to have to address some things, serious things with the worship and with the Lord's Supper. But he does acknowledge also that they are doing some things right. And, you know, with some of the ordinances. So it's, you know, it's a balanced process. approach and he's coming in with some recognition of that, that hey, you're getting some things right and you have listened to what I have taught and followed that way as well. And then, of course, as we get into the verse 3 and such and talking about the role, it's important to understand the distinction as Christ is the head of man and man the head of woman. It's not a statement of... or declaration of value of man being placed in higher in value, just only in role as we serve our Lord. KB7, study center. Yeah, Kevin, several good points there. I appreciate you bringing up the issue of parents and children. And you know, I know a lot of parents who teach their children the facts of Christianity. And sometimes they teach them quite well. They're quite theologically astute. But the way they live their Christian lives is a complete denial of all of the theological teaching that they provide their children with. And you know, you see a lot of children that will go along with their parents' religion, but they are disgusted with their parents' hypocrisy of not living out what it is they're teaching. because they see how things go in the home. And so when they leave home, a lot of them are all done with Christianity. Now, you can do an excellent job of raising your children and then still not turn out to be Christians. You can set a perfect example before them, or an excellent example, I should say, and they still don't turn out to be Christians. That happens. But we need to be careful, as Kevin said so well, to set a good example before our children. And especially if you're an unsaved, strike that. If you're in a marriage with an unsaved marriage partner, it's really critical that you set a good example in your behavior of that. Because, you know, as we read earlier in 1 Corinthians 7, how do you know if you're not going to be the instrument of salvation to your unsaved marriage partner? And so you've got unsaved children in your home, maybe you've got an unsaved marriage partner in your home, Boy, the way you live is going to be really important to the quality of the testimony that they receive. So good point there, Kevin. Thank you for bringing that out. All right. Any other comments on verse 1? Please come down to call Sergeant. Thank you. All right, well, I want to say one more thing about verse 1, and it's this. Who are you following? You know, we talked earlier about being the kind of person that other people could look at and see Jesus modeled in your life, okay, that you would be the example. But the question is, who are the examples that you're following in your life? You know, Paul was a safe guide. He was someone that you could look at and you could say, you know what, I need to be like Paul. There's a passage over in Hebrews chapter 13 and in verse 7. And Hebrews 13, 7 says, Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God, whose faith follow... considering the end of their manner of life. So here we're told to look at our pastors. They're the ones that have the rule over us in the church. They're the ones who are speaking to us the Word of God. Now notice it says, whose faith follow, considering the end of their manner of life. So here are properly and truly qualified pastors who not only teach the Word of God accurately and faithfully, but also model an example of how it is supposed to be lived out. And he says, look at these people. Look at the outcomes they're going to have. Follow the faith that they are modeling before you. So at the very least, we don't have an Apostle Paul floating around these days, but we do have pastors. And they're supposed to be the most mature among us. That's why they are pastors. They are, if you will, the fathers in the faith that John speaks of in 1 John 2. And so when we select our pastors, one of the things we need to say to ourselves is, is this guy setting an example I can follow in the way in which he raises his kids, as Kevin said, in the way in which he treats his wife, in the way in which he manages his finances, in the way in which he runs his life. And if you are a pastor hearing this, It's like, you know, you're recognizing how important it is to set that example because other people are watching you and other people are learning from you and other people are modeling their lives after you. So think about, number one, am I the kind of person that people can follow? And number two, who are the kind of people I should be following? And, of course, all of that is measured by how close of conformity do they have to Jesus Christ. So this is verse 1. Lots to think about there. All right. I just got a comment from Brian, KJ7PWM. And Brian says, I have a comment on the kids. I am an example of this. Brian says, "I was a Christian," he puts the word "Christian" in quotes, "but not really in the Word and not really following during part of the time when the kids were growing up. I was not setting the right example. Some of the kids are all done, and I am now living the example, and I do see them slowly taking notice." and I constantly pray that they see the example and change is truly having God in my life and how He's changed me. So, Brian, thank you for that honest and humble confession of the fact that when you weren't living for the Lord, the kids didn't follow the Lord, and now they're all grown up and gone, and now you're living for the Lord, and you're hoping they see that example, and they come around and start following the Lord as well. So there's an example from Brian, KJ7PW, is exactly what we're talking about. Um... And so I also got a comment here from Doc, W6RLJ, and Doc says, "...not to be controversial, however, the question arises as to women ordination in the pastoral leadership as related to 1 Corinthians 11, 3 and onward." Well, Doc, you're exactly right. This passage in verse 3 has huge implications as to whether women should be ordained into the pastoral leadership. And the answer is absolutely not. Women should never be ordained into the pastoral leadership because they are not the head of the man and pastoral position is the position of leadership. And, of course, there's other passages like 1 Timothy 3 and Titus 2 and other passages that give us information along that line. So let's move away from verse 1 here and let's move on to verse 2. He says, Now I praise you, brethren, that you remember me in all things and keep the ordinances, or some of your translations might say the traditions, as I deliver them to you. All right, any comments on verse 2? Please come down to your call sign. ZXN. ZXN, please go ahead. KV7, ZXN, and yeah, you know, these are... These are things that are important to address from a biblical and good foundation standpoint. And yeah, whether egalitarianism and what have you, you know, in our culture as man goes on, oftentimes the lines are the same. can certainly be blurred. And I don't know how many times I've heard, oh, well, you know, Paul just had it wrong. He was just a chauvinist. He just, this or that, excuse it away. Well, no, these are words of God. The text is God-breathed, as we know. And so it's important that we pay attention to this, but also look at it in the context that it's presented. And as we see, you know, as I pointed out before, you know, the value has not changed. The value between man and woman certainly has is balanced and equal. But the role we play, and I'd like to start with the triune God that we have. We have God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. And though they are co-equal in person and in authority, the Son chooses to submit to the will of the Father. And as Paul points out here too, as men we should submit to the role of our Lord. And consequently if we're doing that properly, the woman should also be in that authority, in that context, for role. And so there is a practical application and especially when it comes to ministry. You know, we see this in Ephesians 5, 23, and all throughout the Bible, Paul talks about this, and others talk about it, and the Lord talks about this. But we have roles and responsibilities. And man is the primary creation, made from the flesh of the ground. Woman is made from man. They are still co-equal, like I say, in value and importance and what have you. But we have different roles in the economy and the kingdom of God. KB7 is that example. Yeah, Kevin, good comments on verse 3 there. Let's look at verse 3 for a second. He says, verse 3, But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ. Let's stop right there. Man is not the male of the two sexes. He is not autonomous. He's not a law unto himself. He is accountable to and under the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ. And then it says, and the head of the woman is the man. The woman's not autonomous in the marriage relationship or in relationships in general. She is under the headship of the male. And then, of course, the head of Christ, Christ is not autonomous. He's under the headship of God the Father. So that's what the passage is teaching. And, you know, what Kevin brings out is so important. The relationship between men and women mirrors... the nature of the Trinity. Now when you look at the Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is there equality among them? There absolutely is equality among them. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are co-equal as to their attributes, as to their essence, and as to their value and their worth. As to their status, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all equal. So when we look at the Trinity from the area of its being, There's perfect equality between all the members. But when we look at the Trinity in the area of their work, the Father sends the Son, and the Son obeys the Father. And the Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit obeys the Father and the Son. So the theologians talk about the ontological Trinity, that is, the Trinity in the area of their being. And in the area of their being and their worth and their attributes and their value, they're But in the area of their work, there is superiority and there is subordination. And so the Father plans salvation, the Son secures and accomplishes salvation, and then the Holy Spirit applies salvation. The Father gives the Son. The Father and the Son send the Holy Spirit. And so that's the same way in a marriage. Is there equality between a husband and wife as to their worth and value and significance in salvation? Absolutely there is. But when it comes to their roles, as Kevin Wells said, there's a big difference. The man is the leader. The woman is the follower. When God made Adam and Eve, he made the woman to be a help for the man, to be a complement to him. And so she was brought out of him, formed out of his rib. And our passage makes it quite clear that she is under the headship of a man. Now, Doc, W6RLJ asked the question, how does this apply not only in the home where you have the husband who is leading and the wife who is following and the children who are submitting to them both, but how does this work out in the church? And the answer is that a woman is never to be the head of the church. She has been designed as to her work to be in a subordinate role. And this is why Jesus has 12 apostles. They're all male. Not one is a female. And that's the reason why Paul says in 1 Timothy chapter 3, if any man desires the office of a bishop, he desires a good work. He must be the husband of one wife. Paul never provides for the ordination of women. In fact, he says very clearly that "I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over a man, but to be in silence" in 1 Timothy chapter 2. So, Doc, to answer your question, our passage has very direct application to the issue of who is to be in leadership positions in the Church, and the answer is to be exclusively men and never women. All right, any other comments on this passage? Please come down to your call sign. Thank you. All right, well, let's talk about verse 2 for a minute. We kind of skipped over that. Verse 2 says, Now let's stop right there for a second. Paul has been leveling some pretty heavy-duty criticisms and correction towards the Corinthians for about 10 chapters. And he opens right up there in the early chapters, correcting them for their divisive spirit. I'm of Paul, I'm of Apollos. And then, of course, he corrects them for their lack of church discipline there in chapter 5, and for fornication in chapter 6. And then he deals with the issue of marriage and divorce and those kind of things. But he then launches into this issue of Christian liberty. And so now here he is, and he's saying, wait a second here. These folks are not doing everything wrong. In fact, they're doing a lot of things right, and I need to stop and commend them. And, you know, when you are talking with somebody and maybe you're correcting them or teaching them about something that maybe they don't have quite right, throw in a word of praise there. Remind them that you see the things they're doing that's right, whether that's the child. whether that's a wife, whether that's a congregation, whether it's employees at work. If you're over people and you're responsible for those people, then you give them a word of praise from time to time about what it is they are doing that is good. And so they remember Paul in all things. And what he means by that is that they remembered his teachings in some areas. In fact, in a lot of ways, they're carrying them out. And he says, you kept the ordinances, that is, the traditions that I delivered unto you. Now, when Paul uses the word traditions here, he's not speaking of the same kind of unbiblical traditions. the Pharisees practiced and which Jesus severely rebuked. What he's talking about, when he's talking about the traditions, he's talking about the doctrines. And that's why the King James translated it ordinances. Because, you see, in the context, he's going to be talking about... not only the role of women in the church, in particular with the issue of head covering there, but also with reference to the Lord's Supper. And then, of course, with the exercise of spiritual gifts, he's going to go on and talk about that, right? So anyway, this word traditions is also used. in a couple of other places in the scripture. For example, in 2 Thessalonians 2:15, it says, "Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold to traditions which you have been taught, whether by word or by our epistle," our letter. So Paul is saying that these traditions he's talking about are the same thing as the teachings he's given, either in person or in writing. And then he also says in 2 Thessalonians chapter 3 and verse 6, Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother that walks disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. So the traditions Paul's talking about here in verse 2 are simply the teachings that he's given under divine inspiration, whether in person or in his letters that he wrote. So don't think that we have the Bible plus traditions. as the Roman Catholic Church teaches. But rather we have just the Bible, and the traditions Paul is talking about here are simply the teachings that he gave. All right, other comments? Please come down to your call first. Thank you. Alright, well I'm not hearing any voices out there. Are there any relays? Okay, well, I think we've pretty well exhausted the passage. I just want to make one final comment, and that is there's no one who's not under authority. You know, a lot of women resent men because they say, well, you know, he's the boss. He can do whatever he wants. I just have to obey. He's not the boss. He doesn't get to do whatever he wants. Jesus isn't even the boss. He doesn't get to do whatever he wants. God the Father is the boss. He is the one who runs the show. And so he tells Jesus what to do. Remember, Jesus says, I came not to do my own will, but the will of him that sent me. And then in the Garden of Gethsemane, he's praying, right? And he says, Father, you know, if it be your will, let this cup pass from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but thine be done, right? So Jesus constantly expressed his subordination to the Father. And so you've got a husband in a home. He's not a law unto himself. He's under the authority of Christ. He answers to Jesus. And he has to do everything that Jesus tells him to do in the way in which he functions. Same way with a pastor. A pastor's not an authority to himself. He's under the authority of Christ. He's just an under-shepherd. We read earlier, back in 1 Corinthians chapter 4, Paul says, let a man so account of us as stewards of Christ. And so who are ministers of the gospel? They're just servants who are carrying out the will of the master. You know, like Joseph carried out the will of Potiphar in his house. Same deal. So it's important for us to understand that there is no autonomy. There is no autonomous human. Either we're under the authority of Jesus Christ, or we're under the authority of Jesus Christ through a subordinate authority. We read earlier about civil government, right? The back of Romans chapter 13. And we are directed to submit to the civil authorities. who themselves are to submit to God. They're to be ministers of God. Civil authorities can't make up their own laws as they see fit. They're supposed to take the law of God and enforce that and punish evil and reward good as God defines it. So, you know, a lot of women think, well, you know, if I can just get out from under my husband, I can be the authority. No. You're still under Christ who's under God, and you're still accountable. So you still don't get to do whatever you want to do. You still have to do what the Lord wants you to do. So sometimes we have direct accountability to God, for example, in our consciences, and sometimes we have a mediated submission to God through humanly appointed authority, whether that's a husband, whether that's a pastor, whether that's a police, but a civil authority. Okay, other comments on this passage? Please come down to your call cards. Okay, we had a double there. I did pick up Xenex N. Kevin, you go ahead and then I'll pick up the other station. Go ahead, Kevin. Okay, sorry about that. And very good comments there, Max. And you know, one of the things that the ghost with the role too is responsibility. You know, we have such a blessed liberty in Christ. and opportunity. But with these roles that the Lord has set forth, we have also responsibility with that. And I think you touched on that a little bit as well. But we are responsible for our decisions and what we do in that role, you know, in position whether as pastor or husband or what have you. We need to take that... most humbly and reverently because we do answer to Christ, as we all do, but we especially in responsibility. And I know, you know, as a father, as a husband, those things always wait on me because you think, "Okay, immediate circumstance, but what are the long-term ramifications? Maybe are the decisions being made now?" And as a pastor, when I was a pastor, I was you know, lived in that role, again, I knew that the decisions that I made had eternal consequences as well as very real here and now implications. So with those roles that Paul is kind of laying out here, you know, positionally, really as she's servant, you know, as a servant before, then it comes with the responsibility of those decisions made as part of that role. And of course, as a husband, we make those decisions with our wives. We take that counsel and we consider those things. But we also ultimately know we answer to God in those roles as well and to our Lord. KB7, is that acceptable? Yeah, Kevin, thank you for that. Yep, there's long-term consequences and there's... accountability and that's why the Bible says be not many teachers brethren knowing we shall receive the greater judgment in James chapter 3 and verse 1 so a lot of people envy those that are in leadership positions don't envy them that's a huge burden that's a tremendous obligation responsibility there's gigantic accountability and you know my wife has said to me more than once I'm so glad I don't have to make the decisions in the home because I Basically, she's saying, "I don't want the responsibility for how this goes or the accountability for how it turns out." So, oftentimes, we defer to the wiser, knowing that the consequences of these decisions are huge and the outcomes are profound and the accountability is great. So, therefore, boy, we need to take this business of leadership very seriously. I have a lot of young men come up to me and say, hey, Max, I'd like to become a pastor. I said, do you know what you're asking for? Yeah, that's not something that you just lightly take to yourself. Or, you know, being a civil authority. Gigantic accountability, right? And, of course, same way with pastors. All right, there was another station that had a comment. Other station, please come now. K2KJX. George, K2KJX, go right ahead. We got you. Yeah, Roger, Roger. You know, you're almost 30 over right now, so maybe the solar storm is gone. But anyway, I look at marriage as a holy partnership. And I may be off, but, you know, my wife honors my leadership unless I make some kind of boneheaded decision. And I look for her for advice. And I'm amazed sometimes. Usually she's 99% right on the spot of advice for me. And, you know, I rely on her and she relies on me. And so we try to make the best decisions for life. And, you know, we've... We have been partners in a greenhouse nursery for 15 years now and boy, we've had some disagreements and agreements, but most of the time she's right and I'm wrong. George, well said and thank you for bringing that up. Any intelligent leader ask counsel of those that he's leading and wants to hear their perspective. I remember as a pastor, there were times when I had decisions to make, and I would call a congregational meeting, and I would say, hey, I'm facing this decision. I want to hear what you have to say. And I'd just go to the congregation and let them speak. And I say, okay, thank you all for your counsel. You know, the elders will think about that, and we will make a decision based upon, you know, what the Word of God says and what the wisdom of the congregation is stating. And it's the same way with a wife. I can't tell you, you know, the last time was I gave an order to my wife. I virtually never do that. It's always a consensus that we arrive at. You know, I discuss everything with her. I ask her advice, and a lot of times she has really good input. I take that into consideration, and it's the same way. I mean, I listen to my children, okay? Here I am raising the kids, and it's like, they got something to say, I'm all ears. and I thoughtfully consider what they have to say. So, George, you make an excellent point that leaders need to listen to those that they are leading. They need to seek out wisdom because all wisdom is not deposited in leadership. And there are many times when those who are being led have a perspective, have an understanding, have an experience that the leader doesn't have. And, you know, any leader worth his salt recognizes that in a multitude of counselors there is safety, And so you're so well spoken, George. We need to listen to those that we lead, hear all of their input, and then consider that as to what we should do. George, thank you. All right, other comments, please come down. Any relays? That was PDT. Mark. Okay, Mark. Mark, KJ7PVT, Mark, got you. Go ahead, please, Mark. Yeah, thank you, Max. I know this is a subject that we all have in common, the community of Kansas, our uninsured rights in the Middle Road. And some of the things that come to mind for me is that as the head of a family, if we are following the people, then we are asking him for the decisions. And one of the things I want to tell you is... to listen to your wife because he gave you her for a reason. She was a milker and the reason is that you have two eyes in your head so you get some depth of perception. Have you ever tried to point at a past point and put a thing on the top of a table and try to hit it with your finger? with one eye closed, you'll miss it every time. And the marriage, when we come together, he says that we are one. And that's the way that I look at this. I know Margie is very wise in areas that I am completely supportive of many times. And I think that everyone does. the same thing. This thing called marriage that God put together for us is a kind of amazing gift. And there are positions, and as a man, we take responsibility for a lot of things. We act as a protector for our family as well. But then at the other end of the equation, there's the care and nurturing that is actually provided. by the woman, because they can go to the relationship we don't have. And when we put these two things together, we put these two ways of God made us together. So many times it's just the way that we say things. The end result is a thing called marriage that God gave us. with, work together to, to speak to the world of wonder and recreation. KK7B. Yeah, Mark, really well said. Thank you for that, and for reinforcing a lot of the things that George said. And, you know, When you look at the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, do they consult with each other? They absolutely do. You know, the theologians talk about the Council of Redemption, in which they, all three of them, plan together before the foundation of the world to save a people. And so the idea that if the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit discuss things among themselves, and decide together what they're going to do. Of course with the recognition that the Father leads and the Son and the Spirit follow. Yet nevertheless, there's consultation there. That is a perfect model for our homes as well. And so we need to go together in unanimity of mind. A lot of times I will spend quite a bit of time explaining to my wife why I'm making the decision I'm making and discuss that with her so that she is completely on board and entirely supportive of the decisions and it just makes things go so much better. So Mark, thank you for that. All right, I did get another message here. Let me have a look and see what that is. But we're pretty much out of time. And let's see, I got a comment here from Mark. Yeah, I got a bunch of people checked in here. Philip, K6HSV, thank you for being there. Mark, W7UAR, thank you for being there. And Dave, KE7WKI, thank you for being there. I wrote your names all down a while back off the SDRs but forgot to acknowledge you. This is Mark, W7UAR. He says, and what do you teach your daughter if she's in a relationship with someone who's not leading their family as Christ would lead them? And what does it look like to have a husband who leads when you're looking at a son-in-law? Well, Mark, that's a big question. I cannot answer that now. I have answers, but that goes beyond the scope of our study and into really the issue of personal counseling. We will have a conversation about that. But, yes, it's really hard to be in a subordinate position by divine direction when your leadership is really poor as a wife with her husband. So, yeah, Mark, thanks for the question. I can't answer it now. We are way out of time, way out of time. We need to stop and pray. Jerry, AE7ER, please go ahead and close in prayer for us. Let us pray, Almighty God, for we come to you to be grateful for another day, for this night, for the leadership of our nation. We begin this day, Steve, W6YSI, God Relate to Medina. Upper back and neck pain has returned to part-time work at the crisis pregnancy center. Lord, we ask for relief with room PA. George, K2, T, J, X. Two for healing for his diverticulitis. Carol, KK7, TPO, Amy, passed surgery today for her breast cancer. Joanne, H, Angles. Lord, we ask for a successful surgery. that all the nodes are clear. For Joanne with shingles, Lord has a miserable disease, and she should seek help. Cody, K-I-7, K-R-F. Miss Joey, is we and her boyfriend to live with her grandparents? Pray for her salvation. Roger, WB7VL, pray for negative pathology reports on Bailey's breast cancer surgery. Also pray for salvation of Jacob, a homeless man. Roger, give a Bible to Brian KB7PWM. Your son Bailey and partner Joey have started a new construction business. Pray for his success and perhaps. A marriage. Roger, WB7D at El Cistercandy, 1070 IT, in Kenya, ministering to the deaf. Howie, AI6J, his sister Karen is in remission from cancer and is still waiting for a bone marrow transplant. Lord, we pray for an upcoming bone transplant and Lord, we pray for her salvation. Will, KM5S, Tisha, need a liver transplant. Lord, we pray that someone's partial liver comes to her, and we also pray for her salvation. Karen and Tisha. It sounds like this is a time in their life where they need to seek salvation. 11-CJ7-UNMW, feeling for hand and life-sickness from chronic pain. Head insect XOE. Head is E3, center 3 children. Macy, 3 years old. Cherry malformation disease. Tumor management of her diabetes. Brother Mika, five years old. Heart valve malfunctioning. Surgery in the future. Premature newborn baby, Makede. Problems with vision. Mother Ruth needs wisdom and strength in caring for her children. Father Thomas needs a job. Elvin, KF7FIA. Elvin has back pain. Elvin, we pray that you get relief from that. JR, W6LVP. Gary, W6GLV. He has stage forecasters. He's undergoing radiation and chemotherapy. Lord, we ask that that be successful. Mike, W7TWO. Nephew Dale. Ted is leg amputated below the knee, needs much healing of his body. He grows in his new faith in Christ. He continues to need ongoing blood transfusion. He is now in hospice. Dale's mom, Barbara, needs salvations. for Dale's brother, Daryl, to full recovery from heart surgery. Thanks be to Lord for his goodness, mercy, and grace to each one of us and for the gift of his son, Jesus Christ. Lord, K6, uh... L.P. Jr. Gary, W6, GLV, tree of colon cancer. Thanks, Ward, and may that treatment be successful. KJ7, K2H, Jenny, if replacement went well, in the word we give you thanks and praise. John. His cancer numbers are down. He's on chemotherapy. And Lord, we ask for healing. As we all go through this day, Lord, we ask that you help us keep our focus on you. So that we can do the right things for you. Keep us all well and safe. And we ask this in Jesus' name. Amen. And this is 887-HEAR. Amen, Jerry. Thank you so much for that prayer. This is WB7MX, Net Control for the West Coast Bible Study. I want to thank all the stations who checked in this morning, as well as those who stood by to give us a core operating frequency. We meet here seven days a week at 6 a.m. in order to read the Scriptures, understand their meaning message and application, and then pray for grace and mercy to be able to live out what we learn and for God to meet the needs of those that are in our circle of fellowship. I'll be returning this frequency now to regular amateur use. This is WB7MX. and I will be clear and standing by. I'd like to chat with Ed in 6XOH. Ed in 6XOH, are you still on frequency? Okay, sounds like Ed had it early out, which is no problem. Okay, WB7MAX is standing by. 5 Yankee. 5 Yankee, go ahead, Beck. Why did the teddy bear turn down the slice of cake? Why did the teddy bear turn down a slice of cake? Is that the question? Yes, sir. I guess he was on a diet. Go ahead. Because he was stuffed. Stuffed. Because he was stumped. That's good, Beck. That's really good. Thank you for that. All right, WB7MAX is listening. That was hilarious. Thank you. All right, hearing nothing. This is WB7MAX, and I will be clear in QRT. You guys all have a great day, and we will talk to you all tomorrow. Thanks for the Bible study. Thank you. *train noise* Thank you. you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you you